Unutterably Silly Airport security decisions?

[Sweetpea]

I simply don't fly. I've flown this april, and why I do like flying itself, I don't like the security checks.

I'll take my car.

And DG, what about those people that take the train? Or bus? Or even take a car on a busy highway. All places where people gather and where you can do a lot of damage without anybody ever looking at you beforehand...

[obs20]

Dignity is overrated.

[darknessangel]

Bah! I'll really rather strip naked than let myself be gropped or x-rayed, really. I read somewhere that now they be touching your "private parts". Dude! I'm not a prude but I really don't like the gropping... and I'm a man! >_>

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

I simply don't fly. I've flown this april, and why I do like flying itself, I don't like the security checks.

I'll take my car.

And DG, what about those people that take the train? Or bus? Or even take a car on a busy highway. All places where people gather and where you can do a lot of damage without anybody ever looking at you beforehand...

Somehow, there doesn't seem to be any interest in blowing up busses or trains here, probably because it just wouldn't get the reaction expected......Even on a busy highway, you won't get the damage and loss of life you would on a plane.

I don't know why the idiots choose planes......but they did and continue to do so.

[Lo Zeno]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Somehow, there doesn't seem to be any interest in blowing up busses or trains here, probably because it just wouldn't get the reaction expected......Even on a busy highway, you won't get the damage and loss of life you would on a plane.

I don't know why the idiots choose planes......but they did and continue to do so.

They actually DO choose trains, at least in Europe. The first that comes to my mind is 2004's Madrid train Bombing, where 4 commuter trains were blown up at the stations of Atocha, Calle Télez, El Pozo del Tìo Raimundo, and Santa Eugenia.
wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Ma...f_the_bombings

[TGS]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Somehow, there doesn't seem to be any interest in blowing up busses or trains here, probably because it just wouldn't get the reaction expected......Even on a busy highway, you won't get the damage and loss of life you would on a plane.

I don't know why the idiots choose planes......but they did and continue to do so.

The July 7th bombings in London in 2005 - about which there is an inquiry going on at the moment - involved the tube and a bus.

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by Lo Zeno

They actually DO choose trains, at least in Europe. The first that comes to my mind is 2004's Madrid train Bombing, where 4 commuter trains were blown up at the stations of Atocha, Calle Télez, El Pozo del Tìo Raimundo, and Santa Eugenia.
wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Ma...f_the_bombings

Forgive me, yes, I meant to say HERE, they don't choose that mode of transportation.

I am well aware of the attacks in other parts of the world, where there is a large population concentrated.

We do not have the rapid transit system Europe and other countries do.........unfortunately. We used to.....but planes changed that.

[Lo Zeno]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Forgive me, yes, I meant to say HERE, they don't choose that mode of transportation.

My bad! You wrote "here" indeed, I probably read too quickly and skipped the word.
Sorry!

[EowynCarter]

That didn't answer DG's question, how will you not flying stop people from trying to get explosives onto airplanes?

How does the scanner stop peaple from getting explosives inside the plane ? If terrorists want to blow up a plane, there's not much that will stop them. Will just slow them down.

[ardeegee]

A new article:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/po...107548388.html

[ShortNCuddlyAm]

Originally Posted by dsvick

Screener: Mam, haven't you been through already.
Am: umm, well yes, but see this potato is rather larger than I'd thought it would be so I've got to go through multiple times to make sure the inside is done. I just hope it doesn't get too hot and expl ....... errrr
Screener: Mam, would you please step over here.

I promise I'll let you all know in advance when I fly and from where

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

How does the scanner stop peaple from getting explosives inside the plane ?

It also won't stop people trying to blow up the terminal building and all in it, as per the attempt in Glasgow a few years back.

[Klim Chugunkin]

The question to ask is this: who benefits most from having these new scanners in all airports? The answer is simple: the corporation that produces these scanners.

Does anybody seriously believe for a second it is about security? It is about making lots of easy money. So, don't expect this policy to change anytime soon.

[dsvick]

Originally Posted by ShortNCuddlyAm

I promise I'll let you all know in advance when I fly and from where

Great, I'll bring the bacon bits and sour cream - can you manage two potatoes?

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

How does the scanner stop peaple from getting explosives inside the plane ? If terrorists want to blow up a plane, there's not much that will stop them. Will just slow them down.

I don't think that it does, or at least not completely. IT blocks off one avenue that can be used to do that while at the same, goes a long way to prevent another 9/11 type attack.

I dont think that there is anyway to be 100% sure, as recent events have shown.

Originally Posted by Klim Chugunkin

Does anybody seriously believe for a second it is about security? It is about making lots of easy money. So, don't expect this policy to change anytime soon.

Yes, as a matter of fact I do. No, probably not 100%, but mostly, yes, it is about security, and giving the public a reasonable belief that they are protected as well as can be when they fly.

Sure, companies made money off of the sale of the devices but those devices arouse because of the need, not the other way around, unless you think that the scanner manufacturers are involved in international terrorism.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by dsvick

I don't think that it does, or at least not completely. IT blocks off one avenue that can be used to do that while at the same, goes a long way to prevent another 9/11 type attack.

9/11 style attacks became obsolete three-quarters of the way into the 9/11 attack. Before that day, the cultural understanding was that the best bet with a hijacking of a plane was to stay calm and let the hijackers make their demands-- whether they be for money or to be taken to a certain location or whatever. That cultural understanding changed while the 4th plane was still in the air when the passengers learned what happened to the other planes-- the new standard became "stop them at all costs." There will be no more people taking over planes with box cutters. The next successful attack will come from some other method-- and the fear-mongers will make sure even more civil liberties are taken from us to try to prevent that method from working again.

[Klim Chugunkin]

Originally Posted by dsvick

Yes, as a matter of fact I do.

Then, perhaps, you also believe that the wars US started in the last 20 years are about security and establishing democracy in those countries? It must have been an accident that US never tried to "establish democracy" in a country that does not have significant oil reserves. But then again, every one of us has a freedom of choosing what to believe.