Are there any studies PROVING that DRM works?

[MovieBird]

Originally Posted by Fat Abe

http://www.amazon.com/Neil-Young-Arc...7542085&sr=8-1

Expensive and only meant for the die hard fan. Some discs are essentially sound only, with still photos. Audio is reputed to be 24-bit/192 Khz stereo PCM. (Due to the vintage of some of the material, I tend to doubt that the concerts were digitally recorded at the stated resolution and sampling rate). I own the box set, but got bored after listening to one disc. Mr. Young's music is best experienced in a live concert. God bless him for carrying on.

Thank you. For this specific disc, do you still have to navigate a menu to get started, or can you just pop a disc in, press play with the TV off, and enjoy the tunes?

From my cursory looking at other offerings, it appears that most of the current discs are straight transfers from SACD pressings. Hopefully that will change at some point, but seeing as SACD and DVDA never went anywhere...

[MrPLD]

I always thought it was a bit of a shame that DVDA/SACD never made it as a market successor. However, in a lot of ways it's because of the proliferation of the MP3 market; once again, something 'good enough' audio quality with great new features like being able to email them around and portable devices stole the consumer dollars far away from the more expensive SACD rigs.

SACD is still popular amongst audiophiles of course, though I wonder how many truly do notice the difference, or find that the missing wad of cash in their pocket is the real cause of their newfound comfortable-listening.

Paul.

[Worldwalker]

I have a tin ear; I'm not only happy with MP3s, I'd probably be happy with bad MIDIs. There are probably a lot more people like me out there than there are true audiophiles ... or, for that matter, even people who can tell an MP3 from a bad MIDI. (seriously, does rap need 24 bits?) So it's a matter of market size, and the fact that we tin-ear types can stuff hours and hours of our music onto a cheap MP3 player.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by Worldwalker

I have a tin ear... So it's a matter of market size, and the fact that we tin-ear types can stuff hours and hours of our music onto a cheap MP3 player.

In defense of "tin ear" types, the human mind is capable of subjectively filtering out undesired noise and "embellishing" sounds from memory, essentially improving sound and music listening on a personal level. So MP3s, bad MIDIs or even 50-year-old scratched vinyl, can still be enjoyed by even the staunchest audiophile.

[MovieBird]

Originally Posted by MrPLD

I always thought it was a bit of a shame that DVDA/SACD never made it as a market successor. However, in a lot of ways it's because of the proliferation of the MP3 market; once again, something 'good enough' audio quality with great new features like being able to email them around and portable devices stole the consumer dollars far away from the more expensive SACD rigs

I don't own a system, but when listening to a SACD at someone else's house, I sure can't tell the difference from redbook audio. However, vs an MP3...

I personally think SACD/DVDA (not the Orgasmo kind) never went anywhere because of computer peripherals and DRM. I'm not aware of any software that can decrypt SACD/DVDA DRM on a computer, only component hardware for your Hi-Fi system. If you can't even properly read it on your computer, how can you upload it to the "dark" net? Compared to the ease of use of pirating MP3s, coupled with most people not caring for the loss in fidelity, and you get stagnation with audiophile formats.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

I thought the meaning of my earlier post was very clear:

No one "needs" a book. (Sub-point: Wanting is not the same as needing; and wanting isn't enough to justify some actions.)

You won't be fired, thrown out of your house or tossed into jail because you didn't get a book. Your family won't starve because you didn't get a book.

Therefore, if the book you want isn't legally available to you, OR if it is made available but in a form you do not accept, you have no real justification for stealing that book anyway... because, at root, you don't need the book.

The realistic, practical course is to not buy the book. The only other action that should be available to you is to ask whoever sells the book to make it available in a form that you will accept, so you can legally obtain it.

Regarding the DRM: If you are willing to buy a book with DRM, because DRM doesn't get in your way... that means you accept the book as it is offered, and can deal with DRM (whether you use it as-is or crack it), so go ahead and buy it.

If you refuse to even touch a DRM'd product, and it's only available with DRM, it's not acceptable, so you don't buy it.

It's really that simple.

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Originally Posted by Steven Lyle Jordan

I thought the meaning of my earlier post was very clear:

No one "needs" a book. (Sub-point: Wanting is not the same as needing; and wanting isn't enough to justify some actions.)

You won't be fired, thrown out of your house or tossed into jail because you didn't get a book. Your family won't starve because you didn't get a book.

Therefore, if the book you want isn't legally available to you, OR if it is made available but in a form you do not accept, you have no real justification for stealing that book anyway... because, at root, you don't need the book.

The realistic, practical course is to not buy the book. The only other action that should be available to you is to ask whoever sells the book to make it available in a form that you will accept, so you can legally obtain it.

Regarding the DRM: If you are willing to buy a book with DRM, because DRM doesn't get in your way... that means you accept the book as it is offered, and can deal with DRM (whether you use it as-is or crack it), so go ahead and buy it.

If you refuse to even touch a DRM'd product, and it's only available with DRM, it's not acceptable, so you don't buy it.

It's really that simple.

Apparently it's not that simple because there are so many that do not get it.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

Apparently it's not that simple because there are so many that do not get it.

Honestly: I don't believe some people "do not get it." I believe the logic is clear enough for anyone of a responsible age to understand.

I think some people intentionally ignore it, and substitute their own reality... which generally takes the form of "I will do what I want anyway, because no one can punish me for doing it."

Getting back to the original question of the thread: That is essentially why DRM doesn't work. Lack of punishment means lack of incentive for respecting DRM, therefore people do what they want to do irregardless of whether DRM is there. (So it might as well not be there at all.)

[EowynCarter]

Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

Apparently it's not that simple because there are so many that do not get it.

Including the media industry.

Sometimes they don't seam to realisae we don't need thier product. Thus, if the product is too expensive, filled with DRM, we can chose not to buy it.
Just becasue we don't need it, not because we can have it for free.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

Including the media industry.

Sometimes they don't seam to realisae we don't need thier product.

I think most of the media industry is VERY aware that we don't need their product. That's why radio and TV is advertiser-supported... and why TV shows and movies add elements like popular actors, T&A and predictable scripts, even where such things degrade the program, in order to attract larger audiences. That's why TV shows are going internet, allowing audiences to watch whenever they want, regardless of the TV schedule. That's why movies offer DVDs and digital copies. They go out of their way to accommodate the public, and try to figure out how to profit from it after they've secured our attention.

The books industry has never been any good at this, though all the celebrity tell-all books and ghost biographies are clearly their attempt to figure it out. But content is old news, now they need to figure out the packaging... and they're way behind on that.

[EowynCarter]

That's why TV shows are going internet, allowing audiences to watch whenever they want, regardless of the TV schedule. That's why movies offer DVDs and digital copie

That don't exist in France. All they do is whine to the gouvernement to have stupid law passed, but they won't think about moving their ass to make sure thier product fit the customers wants. Failing to see that customers will get pricky for no vital stuff.
The few video buying services are filled with DRM and usable, Tv show are aired about one year after the US (if not more).
And of course, sales goes down because of piracy, not because the legal offer is crap.

[amoroso]

Originally Posted by Steven Lyle Jordan

Getting back to the original question of the thread: That is essentially why DRM doesn't work. Lack of punishment means lack of incentive for respecting DRM, therefore people do what they want to do irregardless of whether DRM is there. (So it might as well not be there at all.)

Erring on the side of slapping as per your request of October 19:

"Hey, Steve?

SLAP!

Move along, now."

[MrPLD]

Was wondering when that was going to finally strike home.

[Steven Lyle Jordan]

Okay, bye.

(Hey, it works!)

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Originally Posted by MrPLD

Was wondering when that was going to finally strike home.

Was that a pun?