Massive wave of ebook piracy? - Page 13

ManosHandsOfFate · 10-19-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

Ohmigosh, it keeps getting better. So we get to pick and choose what is right or wrong while living in a society?

Sure! Pick away! Just be ready to accept the consequences.

Do you ever (or have you ever) driven in excess of the speed limit? Did you feel guilty in doing so? Did you rationalize your law-breaking ways?

Lady Fitzgerald · 10-19-2010, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ManosHandsOfFate

Sure! Pick away! Just be ready to accept the consequences.

Do you ever (or have you ever) driven in excess of the speed limit? Did you feel guilty in doing so? Did you rationalize your law-breaking ways?

Yes (past tense). Yes. Not successfully. Then I grew up.

ManosHandsOfFate · 10-19-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

Yes (past tense). Yes. Not successfully. Then I grew up.

So everyone who breaks the speed limit is immature?

Lady Fitzgerald · 10-19-2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ManosHandsOfFate

So everyone who breaks the speed limit is immature?

Yes. Build a bridge and get over it.

mr ploppy · 10-19-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AndroidGold

I agree and loved Napster as much as the rest, but at the end of the day, writers are not going to get book deals from publishers if publishers can't make money off the books they sell.

Others disagreee quite strongly, but I don't see a lot of use for publishers any more. Nothing they do can't be outsourced for a flat fee rather than the 90% of the profits that publishers would demand. Musicians realised this over 30 years ago, it's time writers did the same.

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Originally Posted by AndroidGold

It would be sad to see profits get stripped to the point where advertising starts slipping into the eBook/eReader experience - perhaps even product placement in the context of a story like the do in movies will evolve.

I don't see anything wrong with that if it means free (legal) content. Paperbacks in the 1950s often had adverts in them. When you buy something from Amazon or Ebay you are bombarded with adverts for "similar" products anyway, I don't see how it would be any different to that.

mr ploppy · 10-19-2010, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

If there are no professional authors you get what you pay for....

How many writers start out as professional authors? If they weren't professionals when they wrote their first book, why did they write it?

mr ploppy · 10-19-2010, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Lyle Jordan

Really? Refraining from jaywalking makes me lonely? Funny... I thought it kept me alive and vital. I know of no one more lonely than a person in an intensive care ward after a car-strike. Except maybe the person in the ground after a car-strike...

That actually might make sense... if we were talking about people who steal to feed their families. But we're talking about ebooks, a product no one needs, no one will starve without, and no one will be denied a room at the inn for being without. But the products can put food on the table for those who write and sell them, and to some degree, they are directly impacted by those stealing their work instead of paying for it.

There is simply no valid rationalization for stealing something no one needs, but a creator can potentially profit from. Which is why the idea of rationalizing a reason for pirating ebooks is morally bankrupt.

You're still assuming that legality or morality factor into people's decisions. They don't. If something is there it's a simple choice of download it or don't download it. Your job is to either make the paid for content more appealing than the free content, or use your existing powers to have the free content removed. Or you can look at it as free advertising, like a lot of writers do, or think of it the same as you would if someone bought a second hand paperback.

tompe · 10-19-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

Yes. Build a bridge and get over it.

That is just rationalisation of your behaviour.

mr ploppy · 10-19-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

1. Writer's (actually, copyright owners; the twain are not always synonymous) would not receive the "few pence" for illegal downloads.

2. People not caring if licenses were purchased or not is justification?

1. Whose fault is that? There is no reason why something like a global (or per-country) internet based library couldn't be set up in a similar way.

2. It isn't meant as justification, just the reality of the situation. It's like healthcare in the UK. We get it free, so we don't really care what money changes hands internally or for what reason.

johnnyb · 10-19-2010, 01:02 PM

Just wanted to chime in once more and say that I totally support jaywalking... I believe that the space cars have taken up so far should be reclaimed. Of course this works only in a society where there's no law of the jungle giving way to a sort of common sense order...
Given that this implies a universal rule of the individual without extensions (cars, law firms, etc), how can this be projected onto the book market?

Krystian Galaj · 10-19-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

Ohmigosh, it keeps getting better. So we get to pick and choose what is right or wrong while living in a society?

Yes. While living in a society, we have to adapt to others in our actions, but each of us does decide in their mind what is right and wrong.

Lady Fitzgerald · 10-19-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

That is just rationalisation of your behaviour.

What rationalization?

Lady Fitzgerald · 10-19-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Krystian Galaj

Yes. While living in a society, we have to adapt to others in our actions, but each of us does decide in their mind what is right and wrong.

That wasn't the concept you conveyed. However, just deciding what is right and wrong will never make it so.

toddos · 10-19-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by John F

Just about every recent Blu Ray is using compressed audio. Maybe you mean lossless?

Nope, I meant uncompressed as referenced here. (link to HDMI spec and not blu-ray, but same point). That's up to 8 channel PCM data, as opposed to compressed audio in DTS or AC3 formats.

Compressed audio is still required since not every player nor receiver can support uncompressed audio.

ManosHandsOfFate · 10-19-2010, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald

However, just deciding what is right and wrong will never make it so.

Where then does right and wrong come from?

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johnnyb Cloud Reader Posts: 1,136 Karma: 4273668 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Boox Note Air 4C, Remarkable PP Move, iPad Pro 11	Just wanted to chime in once more and say that I totally support jaywalking... I believe that the space cars have taken up so far should be reclaimed. Of course this works only in a society where there's no law of the jungle giving way to a sort of common sense order... Given that this implies a universal rule of the individual without extensions (cars, law firms, etc), how can this be projected onto the book market?