3500 Books??? Really? - Page 3

HarryT · 09-07-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vugtitan

but what is stop me from compressing the compressed file over and over again until is down to the 100 ratio to 1 or even using fractal compression?

Mathematics will stop you. You may find it instructive to look up how compression algorithms work.

karthwyne · 09-07-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vugtitan

i tried it with winrar and i managed to get a 400kb text file down to 100k.

but what is stop me from compressing the compressed file over and over again until is down to the 100 ratio to 1 or even using fractal compression?

Um, wow. Good luck with that.

vugtitan · 09-07-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by karthwyne

Um, wow. Good luck with that.

Initial Compression: 3,858,903 PGMS.rar
Second Compression: 3,849,974 PGMS2.rar
Third Compression: 3,850,047 PGMS3.rar
Forth Compression: 3,850,120 PGMS4.rar

Yes you can compress a file over and over until it is very small-- infinitely small in fact. At this point, a single byte of data might weigh as much as 14 elephants. Gravity then takes over and the remaining data crushes in on itself to form a singularity-- a black hole which sucks in the entire known cosmos.

bluemoonjules · 09-07-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by krazy4katz

! On the other hand, "back in the day," 1 MB was considered really, really big...

k4k

Certainly was! I remember PCs before they had hard disks....

carld · 09-07-2010, 04:56 PM

I don't think re-compressing already compressed data nets you any extra compression (not taking into account an excellent compression algorithm vs. a lousy one). I compressed a 443mb rar file with 7zip resulting in a 441mb file. Re-compressing that file, on ultra compression, took a good bit of time and actually increased the file size to 447mb.

karthwyne · 09-07-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by vugtitan

Second Compression: 3,849,974 PGMS2.rar
Third Compression: 3,850,047 PGMS3.rar
Forth Compression: 3,850,120 PGMS4.rar

Yes you can compress a file over and over until it is very small-- infinitely small in fact.

Yeah, your file keeps getting bigger - imagine that.

susan_cassidy · 09-07-2010, 05:05 PM

I don't know how Collections work (I have a K1), but just on the Home Page, you can jump around by pressing the first letter of the title (like 'T'), and it jumps to the titles starting with 'T'. That helps.

I'm with the other people here who don't see the benefit of having their entire library on a Kindle. Enough for several weeks of reading it plenty for me. I have 13 or 14 pages of stuff, books to be read, lots of samples, some old favorites, etc. And I'm not planning any trips. If I were, I'd probably add a few extra books, but not a thousand extra books!

I do have everything backed up on my PC, and from there, to an external drive.

emalvick · 09-07-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

You let me know when you successfully compress a 400kb text file down to 2 bytes.

More important... I want to know when that 2 byte file is successfully uncompressed.

lost66615 · 09-08-2010, 03:37 AM

if you put all the allotted books on your kindle in one go it takes about 3 hrs to index and the start times when switched on takes ages i have quite a few student books history and Latin eBooks saves my buying them free books. and i took them off due to performance issuses so i have only 2 hundred books if want to but max book allotment on don't bovver use caliber for book management and only put a few books on at time i have kindle dx

soondai · 09-08-2010, 03:43 AM

edit: sorry, mispost

TheKindleWorm · 09-08-2010, 04:06 AM

I'd like to know how many hundreds of ebooks the Kindle 3 could hold without seriously affecting performance.

I only have around 50 books currently loaded as I've had reset/restart issues and am loathe to put more on until the firmware is updated.

I love the fact that it switches on instantly which I'm guessing might not happen if I put all 500 ebooks on it.

estrial · 09-08-2010, 04:43 AM

I think I read somewhere in this forum that someone has loaded 500-600 books on their kindle 3 already.

I too have loaded around 60 books and have gotten the reset issues about 4 times so far since I've received my kindle. Hope the firmware really fixes it, kind of reluctant to send the kindle away for a replacement

HarryT · 09-08-2010, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKindleWorm

I'd like to know how many hundreds of ebooks the Kindle 3 could hold without seriously affecting performance.

What makes you believe that the number of books would impact performance? There's a one-time indexing cost when you first load a book, but I see no reason to expect a performance impact thereafter.

desertblues · 09-08-2010, 05:03 AM

In the last few days I've sent, through Calibre, my whole booklibrary of several years(I like to browse and choose)on my Kindle.; 1128 items. Yes, I know it is probably a bit weird, but I like my books with me, I read a lot and I have trouble throwing anything away.
My PC had some trouble with it and it did cost a lot of time. That is; I didn't use Calibre before, so I had to start from scratch.
Yesterdayevening the battery was full and in the morning it was empty; I guess because of indexing?
I don't think the amount of books has any influence on the Kindle3. I can find and open a book now just as fast as in the beginning, when I only had the ones of Amazon (20 or so).

TheKindleWorm · 09-08-2010, 05:12 AM

That's fantastic to know Desertblues - maybe I wrongly assumed that several hundred books might start to slow down processes like opening books up and starting the Kindle. If not that's great and you have more than double the quantity of my book collection so it means I can continue collecting ...

I'm still reluctant to load up more books yet as I'm fed up with all the restarts I'm getting rather randomly - I have stopped using the web browser for the moment to see if that improves things.

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carld Wizard Posts: 2,698 Karma: 4748723 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Kindle Paperwhite	I don't think re-compressing already compressed data nets you any extra compression (not taking into account an excellent compression algorithm vs. a lousy one). I compressed a 443mb rar file with 7zip resulting in a 441mb file. Re-compressing that file, on ultra compression, took a good bit of time and actually increased the file size to 447mb.

09-07-2010, 05:05 PM	#37
susan_cassidy Wizard Posts: 2,251 Karma: 3720310 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Device: Kindle, iPad (not used much for reading)	I don't know how Collections work (I have a K1), but just on the Home Page, you can jump around by pressing the first letter of the title (like 'T'), and it jumps to the titles starting with 'T'. That helps. I'm with the other people here who don't see the benefit of having their entire library on a Kindle. Enough for several weeks of reading it plenty for me. I have 13 or 14 pages of stuff, books to be read, lots of samples, some old favorites, etc. And I'm not planning any trips. If I were, I'd probably add a few extra books, but not a thousand extra books! I do have everything backed up on my PC, and from there, to an external drive.

09-08-2010, 03:37 AM	#39
lost66615 Enthusiast Posts: 38 Karma: 134 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: ENGLAND Device: kindle dx	if you put all the allotted books on your kindle in one go it takes about 3 hrs to index and the start times when switched on takes ages i have quite a few student books history and Latin eBooks saves my buying them free books. and i took them off due to performance issuses so i have only 2 hundred books if want to but max book allotment on don't bovver use caliber for book management and only put a few books on at time i have kindle dx

09-08-2010, 03:43 AM	#40
soondai Guru Posts: 672 Karma: 1109784 Join Date: Aug 2010 Device: Paperwhite	edit: sorry, mispost

09-08-2010, 04:06 AM	#41
TheKindleWorm Guru Posts: 860 Karma: 177868 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: East Anglia UK Device: Kindle 3G, iPhone 3G, iPod 4G, PB 360, Sony 600 sold, Kindle 2i sold	I'd like to know how many hundreds of ebooks the Kindle 3 could hold without seriously affecting performance. I only have around 50 books currently loaded as I've had reset/restart issues and am loathe to put more on until the firmware is updated. I love the fact that it switches on instantly which I'm guessing might not happen if I put all 500 ebooks on it.

09-08-2010, 04:43 AM	#42
estrial small is good Posts: 95 Karma: 100 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kindle 3, Samsung Galaxy S	I think I read somewhere in this forum that someone has loaded 500-600 books on their kindle 3 already. I too have loaded around 60 books and have gotten the reset issues about 4 times so far since I've received my kindle. Hope the firmware really fixes it, kind of reluctant to send the kindle away for a replacement

09-08-2010, 05:03 AM	#44
desertblues Home for the moment Posts: 5,127 Karma: 27718936 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: travelling Device: various	In the last few days I've sent, through Calibre, my whole booklibrary of several years(I like to browse and choose)on my Kindle.; 1128 items. Yes, I know it is probably a bit weird, but I like my books with me, I read a lot and I have trouble throwing anything away. My PC had some trouble with it and it did cost a lot of time. That is; I didn't use Calibre before, so I had to start from scratch. Yesterdayevening the battery was full and in the morning it was empty; I guess because of indexing? I don't think the amount of books has any influence on the Kindle3. I can find and open a book now just as fast as in the beginning, when I only had the ones of Amazon (20 or so).

09-08-2010, 05:12 AM	#45
TheKindleWorm Guru Posts: 860 Karma: 177868 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: East Anglia UK Device: Kindle 3G, iPhone 3G, iPod 4G, PB 360, Sony 600 sold, Kindle 2i sold	That's fantastic to know Desertblues - maybe I wrongly assumed that several hundred books might start to slow down processes like opening books up and starting the Kindle. If not that's great and you have more than double the quantity of my book collection so it means I can continue collecting ... I'm still reluctant to load up more books yet as I'm fed up with all the restarts I'm getting rather randomly - I have stopped using the web browser for the moment to see if that improves things.