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Old 09-05-2010, 03:13 PM   #16
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3500 is the number amazon quote and it is important to find out if it correct as otherwise it would be false advertising.

i want to store ll my books o my pc and then i would never need to ever go back and forth but use the kindle as single source point for all books.

so i wander if any one can be persuaded to put 3500 books on their kindle.

how would the books show up.

i mean you can only see 10 items per page?

can we put 50 items per page.

otherwise we need to scroll thru 350 pages to find a book. (3500 divided by 10 items per page comes to 350 pages!!!)
The number 3500 is clearly an estimate, based on an average book size of 1 MB. Just to give you an idea from my library, "Oliver Twist" is 2 MB, "The Count of Monte Cristo" is 1.7 MB, "Jane Eyre" is anywhere from 0.7 MB to 2 MB, depending on which version you have.

I moved from a K1 to a K3, so I am enjoying Collections. I haven't accumulated very many books on my kindle yet -- maybe only about 50-60 plus about 50 samples. I suppose when I start reaching several hundred I will have to think seriously about a back up strategy.
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The number 3500 is clearly an estimate, based on an average book size of 1 MB. Just to give you an idea from my library, "Oliver Twist" is 2 MB, "The Count of Monte Cristo" is 1.7 MB, "Jane Eyre" is anywhere from 0.7 MB to 2 MB, depending on which version you have.

I moved from a K1 to a K3, so I am enjoying Collections. I haven't accumulated very many books on my kindle yet -- maybe only about 50-60 plus about 50 samples. I suppose when I start reaching several hundred I will have to think seriously about a back up strategy.
Book size is pretty variable, huh? I just looked in my calibre library, and out of 187 books, 101 of them are 0.5 MB or smaller. Only 34 of them are 1.0 MB or larger. 9 of them are 2.0 MB or larger.

I think that's something that really surprised me about e-books. I was so used to digital pictures taking up so much space on my computer, I kind of assumed books would take up a lot of space, too. A book that is only text is very small. The larger ones in my library have photos or illustrations.
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Old 09-05-2010, 03:40 PM   #18
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sorry to hear about the flood in your house.

did you not back them up?

you can back up to gmail or yahoo.they have 4 to 6 GIGS of free online storage.
I'm also sorry to hear you had a flood issue and lost things. As I gave up film for digital when I bought a new camera when my daughter was born I was super worried about losing all those irreplaceable pictures. I got sick of storing all my CDs in the living room so I ripped them all to the computer and then boxed them up and stored them in the attic in case a hard copy was ever needed.

With all digital possessions I now back things up to an external harddrive and I subscribe to a backup service (I use Mozy). Costs about 5$ a month but it autobacks up any directories I tell it to and I have unlimited storage space. Right now I think I'm backing up around 220 gigs of data.

I have never had to restore anything so I can't comment on how easy or well it will work but Mozy had good reviews. I can comment that the backup program works well and they have no problems taking 5$ out of my account each month. Also, my firewall ended up blocking the program one day (therefore stopping the backups) and the company emailed me to let me know I hadn't backed up anything in 3 days and sent me steps to check my firewall settings. I thought that was nice.

As for my Kindle, I probably have about 25 full books on there (most of them daily freebies from Amazon) and probably 10 samples. Currently I am reading two of the books (one fiction and one non-fiction) and my wife is reading another book. The rest just sit there.
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Old 09-05-2010, 04:21 PM   #19
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Book size is pretty variable, huh? I just looked in my calibre library, and out of 187 books, 101 of them are 0.5 MB or smaller. Only 34 of them are 1.0 MB or larger. 9 of them are 2.0 MB or larger.

I think that's something that really surprised me about e-books. I was so used to digital pictures taking up so much space on my computer, I kind of assumed books would take up a lot of space, too. A book that is only text is very small. The larger ones in my library have photos or illustrations.
Yes, it is a pleasure to finally have something digital that doesn't take up so much space! On the other hand, "back in the day," 1 MB was considered really, really big...

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3500 is the number amazon quote and it is important to find out if it correct as otherwise it would be false advertising.
What if the actual number ends up being 3499... would you sue for false advertising? What if it's 3501?
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I believe that if you read it closely you will find it says approx. 3500 books.
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3500 is the number amazon quote and it is important to find out if it correct as otherwise it would be false advertising.
And then we will all sue Jeff Bezos, the lawyers will settle for a million dollars each, and we will get a coupon for a dollar off the next e-book we buy.
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You are not supposed to just load up the books!
You are supposed to BUY them at Amazon e-book store. One by one.
Okay, $9.99 times 3500 ... $3,496.50!
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I believe that if you read it closely you will find it says approx. 3500 books.
Can you increase the number of books stored on the kindle further by using self extracting compressed books?

compression reduces a text file size by at least 100 times and in winrar,gzip,etc you can create a SELF EXTRACTING OR SELF INFLATING FILE which when received on a recipients pc will inflate to normal readable size in RAM memory even though the recipients pc does NOT have winrar ,etc.

This would mean i could then store 3500x100=350000 books ! Not quite a million but getting there.
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Can you increase the number of books stored on the kindle further by using self extracting compressed books?

compression reduces a text file size by at least 100 times and in winrar,gzip,etc you can create a SELF EXTRACTING OR SELF INFLATING FILE which when received on a recipients pc will inflate to normal readable size in RAM memory even though the recipients pc does NOT have winrar ,etc.

This would mean i could then store 3500x100=350000 books ! Not quite a million but getting there.
Whoa! Easy, cowboy. Don't get carried away!! I don't know if the world is ready for this.

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I once put 900 books on my Kindle 2, but that makes searching very, very slow. For some reason a search does not look at title's only, but actually searches through all the pages in all the books.

So if you search for the word "war" for example, it easily gives 1500 results after 5min of searching.
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compression reduces a text file size by at least 100 times and in winrar,gzip,etc you can create a SELF EXTRACTING OR SELF INFLATING FILE which when received on a recipients pc will inflate to normal readable size in RAM memory even though the recipients pc does NOT have winrar ,etc.
You won't get anything like that compression ratio from any of the data formats used for ebooks.

As a test I checked volume 1 of History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon.

Plain text size: 1614KB, rar size: 496KB, ratio: 30%
Mobi size: 1217KB, rar size: 952KB, ratio: 78%
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Can you increase the number of books stored on the kindle further by using self extracting compressed books?

compression reduces a text file size by at least 100 times and in winrar,gzip,etc you can create a SELF EXTRACTING OR SELF INFLATING FILE which when received on a recipients pc will inflate to normal readable size in RAM memory even though the recipients pc does NOT have winrar ,etc.

This would mean i could then store 3500x100=350000 books ! Not quite a million but getting there.
A self-extracting file is nothing more than an executable file which runs the extraction process and outputs the uncompressed file. In order for this to work, the device would have to execute the file. And this opens up a whole new dimension for viruses and other malicious content. Not gonna happen (at least not in the official firmware).

And 100:1 is not realistic. 10:1 is about the maximum you can expect from pure ASCII text compression, and the ebooks usually are not plain text files (i.e., the compression rates would be much smaller).

Personally, I think 3,500 is good enough (even one percent of that would be fine for me, I don't intend to keep my full library on the device).
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A self-extracting file is nothing more than an executable file which runs the extraction process and outputs the uncompressed file. In order for this to work, the device would have to execute the file. And this opens up a whole new dimension for viruses and other malicious content. Not gonna happen (at least not in the official firmware).

And 100:1 is not realistic. 10:1 is about the maximum you can expect from pure ASCII text compression, and the ebooks usually are not plain text files (i.e., the compression rates would be much smaller).

Personally, I think 3,500 is good enough (even one percent of that would be fine for me, I don't intend to keep my full library on the device).
i tried it with winrar and i managed to get a 400kb text file down to 100k.

but what is stop me from compressing the compressed file over and over again until is down to the 100 ratio to 1 or even using fractal compression?

in theory you could keep compressing it down until it is just down to just a few bytes.

remember how in the big bank the entire universe was formed from a single ultra dense super compressed single particle ?

Similarly we could do the same with information.

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in theory you could keep compressing it down until it is just down to just a few bytes.
You let me know when you successfully compress a 400kb text file down to 2 bytes.
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