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The "other" group is quite large. And because of no DRM and multi formats available it's just as "frictionless" on the other ereaders as the kindle.
The library option cant be overlooked. Imagine never having to purchase a bestseller for the rest of your life. As I have discovered many libraries have extensive inventories. It goes back to the question of 'where will you get your e-books?' |
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It's perhaps easy to get a rather distorted view of the world-wide ebook market, living in the USA. Outside the US, Amazon really are a very minor player in the game, and the ePub format completely dominates.
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Apart from Barnes and Noble's own take on ePUB DRM, there are many stores that sell ADE DRM'ed ePUB. Almost all non Kindle ereaders support ADE. You do not need to have store lock-in for any reason really. All this, even for Kindle owners, goes out the window if they decide to liberate their purchases from DRM and use Calibre to transfer/convert. Ultimately, the choice of ereader becomes purely personal. Which in my mind is the best outcome of all. |
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It seems to me that DRM is at the bottom (or top) of all.
Kill DRM ( ![]() Personally i prefer ePub because of libraries and the ability to switch between devices. ePub is common in europe and there are even shops who sell it without DRM. Isn't there a Qt enhancement for Kindle which enables you to read ePub ? I believe i've read something i the Kindle area. |
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Kindle over here (EU) is non-existant. Epub is the standard and as such it is much better, more open.
Yes, I realise that with DRM on top of it (B&N or otherwise) it's not quite as open as non-drm'd files, but that's the same with MP4s/AAC: It's an open format, no matter if Apple have decided to implement their own flavour of DRM on top of it. Besides, I jumped ship from Apple after twenty years on the platform, because I grew tired of the closed - and ever-closing - ecosystem which only grew worse as the iPod grew in popularity, forcing me to figure out more and more workarounds to be able to get the functionality I wanted and needed for work. I'm done with closed platforms and ecosystems. Speaking of, just because Apple doesn't really support FLAC without a plethora of workarounds doesn't mean that FLAC isn't an open format, just like having Amazon/Kindle not supporting Epub doesn't make Epub less of an open format. Last edited by AGB; 08-21-2010 at 07:44 AM. |
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My main gripe with amazon is the simple fact that they only sell for Kindle. I don't care for the format, as long as I can read it on my reader. My reader can read a lot of formats, but no Kindle. Why? Because that format is a closed format and that makes it a vendor lock. The e-pubs with the 'normal' DRM can be read on *all* readers that support epub. Only the B&N epubs have a different DRM. So, not the e-pub format is flawed or non-universal, it is the DRM that is applied on it. I won't even start about Apple, which handles everything as if they invented it and then 'improved'. Let's say I have a different opinion.
At least I can *choose* to remove the DRM from the e-pubs (Apple excluded), I cannot do the same for Amazon e-books. Result, as long as Amazon does not sell e-pub with or without 'normal' DRM, no more sales from me. |
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Yeah, you can de-drm and convert, the the one time I did this, it wasn't too brilliant. Get a bit outside the US ![]() At least our publisher and shops had some common sense to use the same format. Having amazon with a format, B&N with another, sony with yet another, oh the mess of it ! That situation shouldn't exist. They should get around a table and decide on a format and DRM once and for all. Last edited by EowynCarter; 08-21-2010 at 08:59 AM. |
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Once an ebook is DRM-free, the distinction between MOBI and ePub is less significant. Calibre allows you to painlessly convert one to the other. There is no doubt that ePub is a better format than MOBI, but in practice the Kindle and (old) MobiPocket Reader software has advantages over the existing Adobe and B&N ePub reading software. |
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Suppose Amazon decided to allow ePub without DRM on its devices -- just as it does PDF -- but doesn't sell any content in that format. Would that satisfy anyone? I am guessing that firmware update would be "trivial".
And suppose Amazon Kindle -- especially in finding a solution to give the Kindle access to Overdrive from public libraries -- offered a one-time license fee update ($5? $10?) which gave them a patched firmware that also supported DRM ePub through Adobe? But Amazon continued to sell only Kindle format books? Would that satisfy anyone? Be careful what you ask for: how would the ePub only bookstores, and ePub only hardware devices fare with a Kindle with such capabilities? |
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His post is flawed from the beginning.
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I can understand the dominance of the big-6 publishers and their DRM-infected products, but that doesn't mean I have to take seriously any blogger who pretends the filetype, not the DRM, is the compatibility problem. |
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Me maybe, as I can de-drm. But if you take the avrage french guy : He don't want to read in english. And want to read the last book from well knows authors. Avrage guy don't want to de-drm. Right now, that means using a reader with adobe adept. If Amazon want to have a part of the market in france anywhere near significant, they have two solutions : - Make partnership with the publishers, sell the e-book with their own format, on amazon.fr. (Me myself is happy with having only one format, so no go for me). - Add ePub functionality (with adobe drm), to kindle. (So they can sell kindle) and / or sell ePub (so they can sell books) |
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However, I'd be happy to pay a one-time upgrade fee for access to overdrive library books. I don't actually care what format the books come in. If Amazon worked out something where they converted the ePub to AZW and reapplied the DRM that'd be just fine with me. |
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