Fatherland or Motherland. And one Weird-uncle-land

[DixieGal]

Originally Posted by ravenne

Isn´t this ABBA´s Banana-Song?

O Banana tell me what's wrong
you're enchained by your own peel?
in this case there is no hope but steel
how I love to cut you like this
there is no way I can deny it
I can see that you are oh so ripe....

Originally Posted by gmvasco

It's the perfect song to put in a mixed tape with:

There was something in the bread that night
The crust was bright, peanut butter
It was shining there for you and me
For tastiness, peanut butter
Though I never thought that we could choose
Between it and marmalade
If I had to do the same again
I would, my friend, peanut butter.

THANK YOU SO VERY VERY MUCH! You made me smile all the way to my toes! (Also made me hungry!)

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by HarryT

It's something I saw quoted recently in an article in the "Classical Assocation"'s journal. I haven't personally verified it to be true, but I have no reason to doubt the veracity of the source. I can dig out a reference if you're interested.

Follow-up to the above:

It does appear to be true. I've just done a frequency search in the "Perseus" Latin archives at "perseus.tufts.edu" (probably the most complete collection of classical texts on the internet), and "virgo" is used almost three times as frequently as "puella".

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Follow-up to the above:

It does appear to be true. I've just done a frequency search in the "Perseus" Latin archives at "perseus.tufts.edu" (probably the most complete collection of classical texts on the internet), and "virgo" is used almost three times as frequently as "puella".

Interesting. I'm going to have to crack out the OLD when I get home.

I'm kind of tempted to type up my translation of "Cena Trimalchionis" and post it on MR. But it is an incomplete translation of an incomplete work. It is hilarious though.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by lilac_jive

Interesting. I'm going to have to crack out the OLD when I get home.

I'm kind of tempted to type up my translation of "Cena Trimalchionis" and post it on MR. But it is an incomplete translation of an incomplete work. It is hilarious though.

I agree - it's wonderful . The classic description of someone with huge wealth but no "taste" trying to "make an impression".

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by HarryT

I agree - it's wonderful . The classic description of someone with huge wealth but no "taste" trying to "make an impression".

Have you read it? There's a free translation on the web somewhere, but it's Victorian in age. Needless to say a lot is lost.

[HarryT]

Yes, I've read the Latin original. It's hilarious. There's a version adapted for schools available called "The Millionaire's Dinner Party" which is re-written in much simpler Latin, but half the fun of the original is the fact that Tremalchio keeps using the wrong words and making a hash of his grammar in an attempt to sound "posh".

[ravenne]

Originally Posted by lilac_jive

Are you sure? I translated a few classical texts and I don't recall ever seeing that word.

It indeed was used very frequently, e.g. in Ovid´s Metamorphoses:

atque ait: o comitum virgo, pars una mearum,
in quibus es veneta iugis?" de caespite virgo
se lavat et "salve numen, me iudice" dixit,
"audiat ipse licet, maius Iove." ridet et audit
et sibi praeferri se gaudet et oscula iungit.
ec moderata satis nec sic a virgine danda.

In this context (roughly: boy kissing girl) virgo is used as virgin (at least I remember we translated "virgin" at school. But only in that case, usually we translated "young woman")

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Yes, I've read the Latin original. It's hilarious. There's a version adapted for schools available called "The Millionaire's Dinner Party" which is re-written in much simpler Latin.

For schools? I hope they edit it a little (although I guess the dinner party isn't as bad, but some of the earlier parts of the book are)

Originally Posted by ravenne

It indeed was used very frequently, e.g. in Ovid´s Metamorphoses:

atque ait: o comitum virgo, pars una mearum,
in quibus es veneta iugis?" de caespite virgo
se lavat et "salve numen, me iudice" dixit,
"audiat ipse licet, maius Iove." ridet et audit
et sibi praeferri se gaudet et oscula iungit.
ec moderata satis nec sic a virgine danda.

In this context (roughly: boy kissing girl) virgo is used as virgin (at least I remember we translated "virgin" at school. But only in that case, usually we translated "young woman")

I think I remember seeing it in Suetonius, but we also translated it as virgin, since that was what the passage was implying. I won't repeat it, it made me sad

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by lilac_jive

For schools? I hope they edit it a little (although I guess the dinner party isn't as bad, but some of the earlier parts of the book are)

Yes, it's just the dinner party bit, and they "tone it down" a lot.

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Yes, it's just the dinner party bit, and they "tone it down" a lot.

I was going to say, yikes.

Maybe when I get home I'll start typing it up. People best be downloading it though

[RickyMaveety]

I hate it when you educated types start using the lounge for intelligent discourse on topics about which I know close to nothing. Not that I don't know some Latin, but not as much as you (apparently).

However, I do know my Spanish, and "chiquita" does not mean girl or banana (except as a brand, of course). It means "little one" or "tiny." So

Further, now that you mention it, I can absolutely see the old lady riding the pig. That's kinda neat.

I like being from a country that is someone's weird uncle. It so totally works for me.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

I hate it when you educated types start using the lounge for intelligent discourse on topics about which I know close to nothing. Not that I don't know some Latin, but not as much as you (apparently).

Latin can be fun: I'm sure you've heard of the emperor "Caligula" - he was the one famous for being mad as a hatter. Did you know that "Caligula" was just a nickname, and means "little boots"? It was a name the army gave him when he was a very small boy and used to accompany his father on military campaigns dressed up in a miniature soldier's uniform. Isn't that a fun thing to know?

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by RickyMaveety

I hate it when you educated types start using the lounge for intelligent discourse on topics about which I know close to nothing. Not that I don't know some Latin, but not as much as you (apparently).

However, I do know my Spanish, and "chiquita" does not mean girl or banana (except as a brand, of course). It means "little one" or "tiny." So

Further, now that you mention it, I can absolutely see the old lady riding the pig. That's kinda neat.

I like being from a country that is someone's weird uncle. It so totally works for me.

I'll make you read "Cena Trimalchionis" when I upload it It is funneh.

I can also teach you to curse in Latin, if you so desire.

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by lilac_jive

I'll make you read "Cena Trimalchionis" when I upload it It is funneh.

I can also teach you to curse in Latin, if you so desire.

yes please.

[lilac_jive]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

yes please.

Here's a good one (endings need to be changed if you are talking to a girl).

Tu tibi futuendus est.



Got that one from "Extreme Latin." Helped me learn my participles

Strictly it means "It is required of you to go fark yourself," but you can just say "you should go fark yourself."