Antitrust suit against Amazon and publishers dismissed... - Page 4

DiapDealer · 12-13-2013, 06:34 AM

Where'd my post go? The one eschwartz quoted part of in post #42?

Ah, well. The main thrust of it still exists in that quotation.

Angst · 12-13-2013, 01:55 PM

Essentially, Amazon accuses the Big Players of doing to Amazon what Amazon is doing to the Indie publishers.

Graham · 12-13-2013, 02:05 PM

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Essentially, Amazon accuses the Big Players of doing to Amazon what Amazon is doing to the Indie publishers.

I'm far more aware of indie publishers now than I was, say, five years ago. I buy more from them, there are more of them, and they seem to be thriving.

Graham

fjtorres · 12-13-2013, 02:34 PM

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Essentially, Amazon accuses the Big Players of doing to Amazon what Amazon is doing to the Indie publishers.

Huh? Amazon wasn't accusing anybody.
The idiots filing the suit were accusing Amazon of being in bed with the big publishers to put *them* out of business.
After everybody else in the courtroom stopped laughing, the case was dismissed.
(More or less.)

eschwartz · 12-13-2013, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Where'd my post go? The one eschwartz quoted part of in post #42?

Ah, well. The main thrust of it still exists in that quotation.

I swear it wasn't me!!

eschwartz · 12-13-2013, 03:09 PM

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auspex · 09-16-2014, 10:30 PM

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Let's see. B&N... DRM linked to their hardware. Kobo.. DRM linked to their hardware. Google.. DRM. Apple... DRM linked to their hardware.

Yes I can see why you'd avoid Amazon because of their forced tie-ins.

Hmm. I suppose I really should have come back to this thread sooner, but the fact is, that's not true of B&N or Kobo. Every book you buy from them is downloadable to ANY hardware. If it's DRM'd, the hardware has to run Adobe Digital Editions, but that's not an issue, since all the hardware does. DRM is evil, shouldn't exist, but that's a whole other issue.

Amazon downloads, otoh, are for Kindle software only.

DiapDealer · 09-16-2014, 11:36 PM

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Amazon downloads, otoh, are for Kindle software only.

On tons of hardware.

fjtorres · 09-16-2014, 11:41 PM

The horse has reincarnated by now.

eschwartz · 09-17-2014, 12:21 AM

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On tons of hardware.

And it is important to note that the original complaint was:

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I don't like Amazon, they may have great service, but I hate the forced tie-ins to their hardware platform. However, I don't hate them as much as Apple, who do the same thing but worse… and I do still occasionally buy from Amazon (I don't own a Kindle), but never from Apple.

Let's see. B&N... DRM linked to their hardware. Kobo.. DRM linked to their hardware. Google.. DRM. Apple... DRM linked to their hardware.

Yes I can see why you'd avoid Amazon because of their forced tie-ins.

Hmm. I suppose I really should have come back to this thread sooner, but the fact is, that's not true of B&N or Kobo. Every book you buy from them is downloadable to ANY hardware. If it's DRM'd, the hardware has to run Adobe Digital Editions, but that's not an issue, since all the hardware does. DRM is evil, shouldn't exist, but that's a whole other issue.

Amazon downloads, otoh, are for Kindle software only.

fjtorres · 09-17-2014, 07:49 AM

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And it is important to note that the original complaint was:

Yup! The good old "Amazon must bow before Zod...er, Adobe..." meme from 2009.

As I said, that horse is dead, buried (along with Adept's relevance), and reincarnated.

auspex · 09-17-2014, 08:27 AM

You seem not to have noticed the actually important part. I download from Amazon even though I don't have a Kindle, because I have the ability to strip the DRM AND convert the book format. That's not legal in the US. As for kindle software being available on "tons of hardware", none of that hardware is other dedicated e-readers, while nothing ties your B&N or Kobo download to their hardware.

shalym · 09-17-2014, 08:34 AM

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You seem not to have noticed the actually important part. I download from Amazon even though I don't have a Kindle, because I have the ability to strip the DRM AND convert the book format. That's not legal in the US. As for kindle software being available on "tons of hardware", none of that hardware is other dedicated e-readers, while nothing ties your B&N or Kobo download to their hardware.

So Barnes and Noble is using regular ADE now? If true, that sucks--I don't use ADE and have no interest in starting to, so that cuts out Barnes and Noble as a possible source of DRM'd books. Looks like I'm down to Amazon exclusively.

Shari

DiapDealer · 09-17-2014, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by auspex

As for kindle software being available on "tons of hardware", none of that hardware is other dedicated e-readers, while nothing ties your B&N or Kobo download to their hardware.

So in nutshell: Kindlebooks available on tons of hardware, ADE epubs available on tons of hardware. Yes, I can see why the one DRM is less evil than the other.

And for the record.... Kobo's proprietary kepub format (and its similarly proprietary, non-Adobe DRM) is absolutely an attempt to lock you into their hardware. And the number of kepub-only ebooks is only growing.

Purple Lady · 09-17-2014, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by auspex

Hmm. I suppose I really should have come back to this thread sooner, but the fact is, that's not true of B&N or Kobo. Every book you buy from them is downloadable to ANY hardware. If it's DRM'd, the hardware has to run Adobe Digital Editions, but that's not an issue, since all the hardware does. DRM is evil, shouldn't exist, but that's a whole other issue.

Amazon downloads, otoh, are for Kindle software only.

Books from B&N can only be used by B&N hardware or apps not any reader. They use a different drm then regular ADE.

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auspex Addict Posts: 201 Karma: 1071756 Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Nova Scotia Device: Kobo Aura, Nexus 5x	You seem not to have noticed the actually important part. I download from Amazon even though I don't have a Kindle, because I have the ability to strip the DRM AND convert the book format. That's not legal in the US. As for kindle software being available on "tons of hardware", none of that hardware is other dedicated e-readers, while nothing ties your B&N or Kobo download to their hardware.