New version of DRM removal tools ("DeDRM") - Page 121

ApK · 03-12-2024, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirtel

Most people have no idea what a tar.gz is or what they should do with it. Everyone knows what a zip is.

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Originally Posted by Quoth

The thing that catches your jumper when you try to close your jacket?

Tar.gz are what Klingons keep for pets.

Sirtel · 03-12-2024, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jhowell

I don't have much hope of anything actually changing. It appears that NoDRM has lost interest in the project as Alf and Harper both did. The 10.1.0 release has been pending for more than half a year.

I wonder if it ever comes to no one being interested in developing anti-DRM measures anymore? DRM becoming truly unbreakable, because no one with sufficient IT knowledge cares? That would be a real pity, but it seems younger generations don't care about DRM the way older generations did.

Or perhaps developers just lose interest because their plugin works well enough at the moment and there's no real need to develop it further?

ZodWallop · 03-12-2024, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirtel

Or perhaps developers just lose interest because their plugin works well enough at the moment and there's no real need to develop it further?

I suspect it is this.

JSWolf · 03-12-2024, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mbovenka

Yes, Jon, we know. It's user error. But it's part of good UI design to make user error as unlikely as possible.

There is no UI issue with calibre. If there is a UI issue, it's Git for not saying that the ZIP contains another ZIP.

JSWolf · 03-12-2024, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jhowell

One thing that would simplify this for new users would be to eliminate the single zip file and replace it with the five files that it contains as individual downloads. That would allow the calibre plugins to be downloaded in the same form as is needed for installation with no unzipping involved. Of course doing that might confuse those who have gotten used to the current unzip the zip and extract the zip from it procedure.

I don't have much hope of anything actually changing. It appears that NoDRM has lost interest in the project as Alf and Harper both did. The 10.1.0 release has been pending for more than half a year.

What changes need to be made to get DeDRM to 10.1.0? Maybe there are none at present.

theducks · 03-12-2024, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisridd

Yes, but caused by a UI design error in Calibre. If Calibre had used a non-zip file extension for plugins, these errors would almost never occur. it would also stop the errors when the user unzips the actual plugin, and then gets confused.

The reason for a ZIP is plugins are packages (containers) with many pieces.
Is there a STANDARD for 'pkg' (or any other) that works on all OS?

JSWolf · 03-12-2024, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by theducks

The reason for a ZIP is plugins are packages (containers) with many pieces.
Is there a STANDARD for 'pkg' (or any other) that works on all OS?

The container needs to be something that can easily be removed. ZIP is it.

jhowell · 03-12-2024, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirtel

I wonder if it ever comes to no one being interested in developing anti-DRM measures anymore? DRM becoming truly unbreakable, because no one with sufficient IT knowledge cares? That would be a real pity, but it seems younger generations don't care about DRM the way older generations did.

Or perhaps developers just lose interest because their plugin works well enough at the moment and there's no real need to develop it further?

I agree with ZodWallop that as long as the plugin works for the majority of books on the most popular platforms there is little need for additional DRM removal capability.

The things that could use some improvement are mostly those that would help to prevent the mistakes that new users tend to make setting up and configuring the plugin. That isn’t going to be interesting to many developers. In addition to that, possible legal and personal repercussions from contributing to DRM removal software keeps many developers, including myself, from contributing to the project.

jhowell · 03-12-2024, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The container needs to be something that can easily be removed. ZIP is it.

I agree that zip files are the logical choice of file format for calibre plugins, just as they are for most e-books. But just as e-books use a .epub file extension to distinguish them from other zip files, in retrospect it would have been better if calibre had used a .plugin extension for its plugin zip files. But at this point it isn’t worth the trouble to change that.

jhowell · 03-12-2024, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

What changes need to be made to get DeDRM to 10.1.0? Maybe there are none at present.

As far as I know it is just a matter of NoDRM making what is now 10.0.9 beta into an official release.

As things stand now most new users get version 10.0.3 since that shows as the latest release on the main page in GitHub for the project. Unfortunately that version is missing support for the latest Kindle DRM and it has several bugs that cause problems for some users.

ownedbycats · 03-12-2024, 08:35 PM

jeez I didn't mean to start an argument...

Sirtel · 03-12-2024, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jhowell

As far as I know it is just a matter of NoDRM making what is now 10.0.9 beta into an official release.

As things stand now most new users get version 10.0.3 since that shows as the latest release on the main page in GitHub for the project. Unfortunately that version is missing support for the latest Kindle DRM and it has several bugs that cause problems for some users.

I suspect that as soon as 10.0.9 is released as the main version, Amazon will change their DRM. At the moment they don't seem to be interested, because few enough folks probably use 10.0.9.

jhowell · 03-12-2024, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirtel

I suspect that as soon as 10.0.9 is released as the main version, Amazon will change their DRM. At the moment they don't seem to be interested, because few enough folks probably use 10.0.9.

That may be NoDRM’s reason for not making it an official release.

At this point I don’t believe that releasing it would cause any reaction from Amazon. They have already added newer DRM to Kindle apps and devices but are only using it for a very small subset of books, such as expensive textbooks published by Pearson. For now they seem content with that. Of course that could change.

ownedbycats · 03-12-2024, 09:15 PM

I have suspicions that Amazon is monitoring my DRM thread in the Kindle subforum here on MR. If so, they already know of the beta.

Sirtel · 03-12-2024, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ownedbycats

I have suspicions that Amazon is monitoring my DRM thread in the Kindle subforum here on MR. If so, they already know of the beta.

I'm sure they know, but as long as most people still use 10.0.3, they don't seem to care. Of course I could be wrong.

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ownedbycats Custom User Title Posts: 10,986 Karma: 75337983 Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Canada Device: Kobo Libra H2O, formerly Aura HD	jeez I didn't mean to start an argument...

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ownedbycats Custom User Title Posts: 10,986 Karma: 75337983 Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Canada Device: Kobo Libra H2O, formerly Aura HD	I have suspicions that Amazon is monitoring my DRM thread in the Kindle subforum here on MR. If so, they already know of the beta.

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