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Old 02-11-2017, 10:13 PM   #1
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Voyage Worth It for Page Press, UI, and Flush Screen?

Been with Kobo, but recently wanting to take the opportunity to convert

I have a Glo HD and want a Voyage for the Flush Screen, page press, and even the new UI which I think looks very nice


I love my Kobo for the stat tracking, font size options, and font variety. I even hear Kindles have issues with weird spacing issues between words, for which the Kobo is 100% perfect

For example, on kindle, some words have like 5 extra spaces between words. Very distracting



Anyways, I think I can move on from the stat tracking and font variety, because I hate touch screens

I want the feel of a button so that I dont have to mess around with bad gestures where I somerimes find myself going back by accident or skipping too far ahead, etc


Some questions:

-is page press worthwhile and are there issues with it like not registering presses or being hard to use?

-is the glass flush screen better than paperwhite? Does it smudge and ruin reading experience?

-does kindle still have issues with word spacing? Is it easy to fix?

-is the new UI as great as it looks? I adore the most recent book and the list view for the next two books. I dont know why, but it makes me love the Kindle over the Kobo

All my books will likely be epubs or converted formats through calibre so I hope there aren't additional issues


Thank u all so much
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Old 02-11-2017, 11:05 PM   #2
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I haven't seen odd spaces on my kindles.
The only people I have seen make that complaint don't even own kindles.
And yes if one uses the super large fonts, you do get bigger spaces.
Well I take that back, I did on some where the author had done a fixed font but they were rare and those books were self-published and basically unreadable for various reasons. Use the look inside before buying unknowns on Amazon.
What those people are generally talking about is there is no hyphenation on the older kindles so occasionally you get a big right margin but since you are getting a voyage that isn't a problem.

Buy one, if you don't like it you have 30 days to return it.

Now in a few minutes, one or two posters will be here to tell you why you shouldn't buy a voyage.
Be sure and ask if they actually own a kindle.

If I wasn't so cheap, I would buy a voyage.
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Old 02-11-2017, 11:46 PM   #3
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So I wont have to worry about odd issues like random gaps between words?

Anywho, I forgot I could return it if I dont like it!

Much appreciated insight, Im eager to jump into the Kindle family

Again, I will be converting most my books and dont intend to use Amazon's store just yet for the books I currently have, so I figured it was an issue with Amazon not formatting certain file types correctly
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Old 02-12-2017, 01:10 PM   #4
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Ok found my post to you.
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Old 02-12-2017, 01:52 PM   #5
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Old 02-12-2017, 02:09 PM   #6
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I have a Kobo, not a Kindle. But I have seen the weird space issues on my Kobo (using kepubs). On the Kobo at least it has to do with the hyphenation dictionary and where it will or won't break words.

On Kindle (until recently) there wasn't hyphenation. That's probably where the weird spacing complaints came from. As Cin said, that's changed.

I guess what I'm saying is I wouldn't let spacing concerns steer you away from a Kindle.
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Old 02-12-2017, 02:27 PM   #7
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Some questions:

-is page press worthwhile and are there issues with it like not registering presses or being hard to use?
I don't like the so-called page turn buttons on my Voyage. There are no physical buttons. They are merely areas where you can press on the glass. They can be programmed to give feedback. But since they are just flat areas of the glass, you cannot feel them. Physical buttons would be cool, but these make believe button areas are not very good for my usage. I keep them turned off.

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-is the glass flush screen better than paperwhite? Does it smudge and ruin reading experience?
I like the flush glass. I don't have any issues with smudging.

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-does kindle still have issues with word spacing? Is it easy to fix?
Not that I've ever noticed.

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-is the new UI as great as it looks? I adore the most recent book and the list view for the next two books. I dont know why, but it makes me love the Kindle over the Kobo

All my books will likely be epubs or converted formats through calibre so I hope there aren't additional issues
Not a huge fan of the interface. IMO there is too much emphasis on commercialism and features I could not care less about, and not enough emphasis on reading. But I'm sure I would feel the same about a Kobo too. BTW, a lot of the Kindle features are only available for books downloaded from Amazon. Since you mostly read calibre converted ePubs these features won't be available. I'm not sure what all the features are that only work with Amazon books, but there is likely a list of them here on MR. Miost of those features would never get my attention. Again, I like to read, not be entertained while trying to read.

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Old 02-12-2017, 03:01 PM   #8
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I have a Kindle Voyage and also a Kobo Aura HD and just recently got the Kobo Aura One.

Here's my 2¢--
I like both Kobos and the Voyage--mostly for the pluses you mentioned in your original post. I do like the page press buttons on the Voyage and wish my Kobos had them. When I had only the Aura HD and the Voyage, I probably read on each reader about 50% of the time. The advantages (in my opinion) of the Voyage were the page press buttons, the flush bezel, and higher resolution--clearer screen. The advantages of the Aura HD over the voyage (again in my opinion) are the additional font control, ability to install your own fonts, and the slightly larger (6.8") screen.

Now that I have an Aura One, I find myself using that reader--I really like the larger screen of the One and the flush bezel which is nice. I have to admit I do miss the Voyage page turn buttons though.

Why not get a Voyage, see if you like it and return if you don't. And there isn't any reason why you can't have both a Kobo and a Kindle at the same time!
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Old 02-12-2017, 04:55 PM   #9
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I can only compare paper white 2 vs voyage

The voyage screen has higher res and a little better contrast, but the top is noticeably a different shade of color than the bottom. Many people swear by the haptic buttons, but they are useless to me. (I liked the kindle keyboard buttons best.) The flush screen is not a big deal to me. For the $120 refurb price, it's worth it to me for the lighter weight and better contrast / resolution.

As for the spacing, I read with largish fonts so they are a problem. I actually use the old mobi format to avoid having large gaps between words in justified text. (I don't like hyphenation, which are not always available anyway.)

As others have said, it's best to try it yourself.
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:21 PM   #10
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I want the feel of a button so that I dont have to mess around with bad gestures where I somerimes find myself going back by accident or skipping too far ahead, etc

-is page press worthwhile and are there issues with it like not registering presses or being hard to use?
Swiping gestures aren't required when reading. Just tapping the screen is all that is needed. The majority of the screen is dedicated to page forward. Only about 1/5 of the left side of the screen is used for paging back. So, you can page forward and backward with your left hand using the touch screen.

Some of the books I read have links referencing footnotes, etc. in the text. If some of those links happen to be at the far right of the screen, I may tap one on accident. That's the only frustration I've had using the touch screen, and one reason i like having the page press buttons. If you find this happens to you, tap the top of the page to show the toolbar. There is a back button there which will take you back to the page you were on.

Some things to note.
  • You can't turn the touch screen off, so there is still a possibility you may turn the page on accident by touching the screen.
  • As others have mentioned, the page press areas aren't real buttons, and there is no raised area that indicates where they are by feel, nor is there any tactile press. The only feedback you get is the haptic feedback.
  • The page press buttons don't function in all areas of the device. You can use them to scroll up and down in your list of books, and to page forward and back while reading. Areas like the goodreads and store apps require swiping up and down.
  • You can adjust the sensitivity of the page press buttons to require more or less pressure to activate them. 3 settings - low, medium, high. They don't require much pressure even on the high setting.

I alternate between page press and touch screen. It just depends on what is more convenient at the time, or if the text I'm reading has reference links (as I mentioned above). I find the press zones are in appropriate positions for how I hold my voyage, so I don't typically have issues knowing where to press. However, my aim is off from time to time. The haptic feedback helps on these occasions (if you don't feel it, you know you missed the zone).


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Like any touch screen you will get fingerprints on it, but it has never been noticeable to me while reading. The matte screen does a good job of hiding them.

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-does kindle still have issues with word spacing? Is it easy to fix?
I've not really noticed any word spacing weirdness.
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Old 02-13-2017, 02:19 AM   #11
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I have a Voyage that I use over all other devices. Previously I have owned a Kobo Glo HD.

I love the page press and often page forward with the left button. The screen is very sharp and clear, far sharper than the Paperwhite 3. And I really like the new UI.
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Old 02-13-2017, 03:03 AM   #12
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I have been using the kindle voyage and kobo H2O.

-is page press worthwhile and are there issues with it like not registering presses or being hard to use?
No. I never use the page press. It is because the position of the virtual buttons is not right for me.

-is the glass flush screen better than paperwhite? Does it smudge and ruin reading experience?
Never use paperwhite before. But I love the flush screen of kv.

-does kindle still have issues with word spacing? Is it easy to fix?
I don't see this problem in my kv.

IMO, my H2O has a better display than my kv. But kv responses much faster than my H2O.
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I have owned Kobo and kindle and the spacing is better on Kindle, as well as the layout. I had Kobo for like 6 yrs, and i find on Kindle I read much faster and easily because of the layout. It's really great.
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Old 02-13-2017, 12:30 PM   #14
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Thank you all very much. I paid $162 for a refurbished Voyage and I think that's worth it compared to the $200 price.

I only hope to get a Voyage that has no screen yellow light issue, at least one that isn't as terrible as some of the pics Ive seen

I dont want to make another thread, but Im curious if later batches quietly fixed the screen quality
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Thank you all very much. I paid $162 for a refurbished Voyage and I think that's worth it compared to the $200 price.

I only hope to get a Voyage that has no screen yellow light issue, at least one that isn't as terrible as some of the pics Ive seen

I dont want to make another thread, but Im curious if later batches quietly fixed the screen quality
I doubt it. That never really happened with later batches of any of the Paperwhites. Some people thought the later batches were better, but I think it was just a placebo effect or wishful thinking. The true improvements came with the release of newer models. I think the issues are fairly random. It is pretty much the luck of the draw as to what you get. Sadly though, whenever you use a plastic layer on top of the eInk screen, you run the risk of light issue causing the colorful shadows and other issues. I wish they would make a Voyage without the light layer, then all those issues would go away. Personally I prefer reading on my iPad rather than the Kindle as there is never any shadows.
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