Can you scan the iLiad screen?!

Bob Russell · 09-26-2006, 01:50 PM

Sooner or later this was sure to come up, but nobody seems to have asked the question. Probably because it hasn't been a practical issue yet. But as I'm impatient and curious, I'll throw it out myself...

Can e-ink displays be scanned like paper books can be scanned?

arivero · 09-26-2006, 01:57 PM

yes, I did some photocopies in the librie time ago just as a proof of fact

Bob Russell · 09-26-2006, 02:05 PM

Interesting. Thanks!

kusmi · 09-26-2006, 02:24 PM

Yes, I put my iLiad on a photocopy machine and got very good results! The only "drawback" currently is, that the iLiad has no keylock, so very often by putting the iLiad on the machine, some keys are pressed

yvanleterrible · 09-26-2006, 03:01 PM

It makes an interesting bypass of DRM!

b_k · 09-26-2006, 03:52 PM

I think it would be pretty easy to circumvent then:

add a automatic page switcher to your e-Reader (software or hardware)
set your scanner and and siad page-switcher to a matching time-frame.
Tada. you got rid of that stupid DRM.

Can't help myself, but everytime I think about it somehow I like the idea of eInk more and more.

R2D2 · 09-26-2006, 04:31 PM

Scan in progress...

scotty1024 · 09-26-2006, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by R2D2

Scan in progress...

As paranoid as the content owners are, that photo should set back iRex's negotiations, and Sony's.

bingle · 09-26-2006, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scotty1024

As paranoid as the content owners are, that photo should set back iRex's negotiations, and Sony's.

They'd better rethink their negotiations with the current printers, too... I hear paper books can also be scanned ;-P

vranghel · 09-26-2006, 11:16 PM

A nice easy way of circumventing DRM is setting the scanner to scan iLiads screen size then using an OCR'ing software to extract the text from it;

Malder1 · 09-27-2006, 02:09 AM

Please anybody can scan screen of iLiad at 600 DPI or 1200 DPI and show small crop. I'm interested to see internal structure of eink display.

ath · 09-27-2006, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by vranghel

A nice easy way of circumventing DRM is setting the scanner to scan iLiads screen size then using an OCR'ing software to extract the text from it;

Since there is no DRM on the iLiad so far, it seems a bit like overkill.

When DRM appears it will probably not be a very attractive way of extracting text contents. 170 dpi makes for rather noisy scans -- and that will give rather noisy OCR results. You'll have to do quite a lot of editing to get the same text quality as the original file had.

There are usually better ways -- if it's a popular novel, buy a paperback, cut the back off, scan the pages at 450 dpi or so, and the number of transcription errors will be much lower. You *still* have to proofread if you want the text quality of the original. (As you explicitly say 'extract the text' I'm ignoring using page scans immediately.) And even then, you may have to tweak the text to the format you want it in.

At that point the benefit of having the text better outweigh the pain and effort you have to spend to get at it.

scotty1024 · 09-27-2006, 11:03 AM

The pixels per inch of the e-ink panel don't adequately describe the perfection of its ability to display text glyphs.

The e-ink panel is much better than what you get with the cheap printing on even cheaper paper of a mass market pot boiler novel.

It is at least as high a quality as a good clay coated paper on a good quality German or Japanese press.

I suspect it would make an excellent target on my copy stand.

09-26-2006, 01:50 PM	#1
Bob Russell Recovering Gadget Addict Posts: 5,381 Karma: 676161 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Device: iPad	Can you scan the iLiad screen?! Sooner or later this was sure to come up, but nobody seems to have asked the question. Probably because it hasn't been a practical issue yet. But as I'm impatient and curious, I'll throw it out myself... Can e-ink displays be scanned like paper books can be scanned?

09-26-2006, 03:52 PM	#6
b_k Übernerd Posts: 238 Karma: 74 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Device: iRex iLiad	I think it would be pretty easy to circumvent then: add a automatic page switcher to your e-Reader (software or hardware) set your scanner and and siad page-switcher to a matching time-frame. Tada. you got rid of that stupid DRM. Can't help myself, but everytime I think about it somehow I like the idea of eInk more and more.

09-26-2006, 04:31 PM	#7
R2D2 Mad Scientist Posts: 294 Karma: 242 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Germany Device: Zaurus, HTCMagician, iLiad	Scan in progress... Attached Thumbnails

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09-26-2006, 01:57 PM	#2
arivero Guru Posts: 607 Karma: 2157 Join Date: Oct 2005 Device: NCR3125, Nokia 770,...	yes, I did some photocopies in the librie time ago just as a proof of fact

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Bob Russell Recovering Gadget Addict Posts: 5,381 Karma: 676161 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Device: iPad	Interesting. Thanks!

09-26-2006, 02:24 PM	#4
kusmi Connoisseur Posts: 73 Karma: 16 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Zurich, Switzerland	Yes, I put my iLiad on a photocopy machine and got very good results! The only "drawback" currently is, that the iLiad has no keylock, so very often by putting the iLiad on the machine, some keys are pressed

09-26-2006, 03:01 PM	#5
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	It makes an interesting bypass of DRM!

09-26-2006, 11:16 PM	#10
vranghel Addict Posts: 285 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Device: Proud Iliad owner	A nice easy way of circumventing DRM is setting the scanner to scan iLiads screen size then using an OCR'ing software to extract the text from it;

09-27-2006, 02:09 AM	#11
Malder1 Connoisseur Posts: 52 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2006	Please anybody can scan screen of iLiad at 600 DPI or 1200 DPI and show small crop. I'm interested to see internal structure of eink display.

09-27-2006, 11:03 AM	#13
scotty1024 Banned Posts: 1,300 Karma: 1479 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Peoples Republic of Washington Device: Reader / iPhone / Librie / Kindle	The pixels per inch of the e-ink panel don't adequately describe the perfection of its ability to display text glyphs. The e-ink panel is much better than what you get with the cheap printing on even cheaper paper of a mass market pot boiler novel. It is at least as high a quality as a good clay coated paper on a good quality German or Japanese press. I suspect it would make an excellent target on my copy stand.

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