Joe Haldeman - The Forever War

Stefx · 09-20-2009, 06:26 PM

Hi

I'm having trouble locating an eBook version of this SciFi classic. I'd appreciate if anyone could give me an idea where I could obtain it.

Many thanks

owlrigh · 09-20-2009, 07:50 PM

I had a look on ebookprice.info and The Forever War doesn't appear to be able to be had in ebook form.

Googling it had it had the first entry as an illegal torrent! Goes to show that it's highly wanted; the publishers should sit up and note that it'd be a good idea to release as an ebook, especially seeing as they've got the A Separate War available in ebook form, and that's set in that world.

nerys · 02-27-2010, 06:36 PM

The solution for me would be easy. GO buy the book. Got it? good now go find a torrent or rapidshare download and enjoy.

Your conscious will be clear you will be morally "in the green" so just go with it.

Every single book I download and read I BUY. I have a bit of an addiction to having the actual paper books on hand. :-) I usually get them for around 50 cents to $3 on ebay and amazon.

Reminds me time to search CL for some more of those neat book cases I have been finding. I am out of shelf space again :-)

pilotbob · 02-27-2010, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nerys

Every single book I download and read I BUY. I have a bit of an addiction to having the actual paper books on hand. :-) I usually get them for around 50 cents to $3 on ebay and amazon.

If you are buying used books neither the publisher or the author get any revenue for that. So, your strategy might be a bit iffy. But, that is a decision each person must make on their own.

BOb

BenG · 02-27-2010, 07:36 PM

But when you buy a used book you remove a copy from the market and may force someone else to buy a new book. (if it's in print.)

Joebill · 02-27-2010, 08:38 PM

sf conventions sometimes have sellers of used books in their merchant rooms. Many sf authors know about this. It does help to find out of print authors and books.

I spend lots of money for new books at the bookstore, but not everything I want is available there nor through their mail order business.

nerys · 02-27-2010, 10:04 PM

Well good luck finding any books "I WANT" in a regular books store. Even amazon most of the time does not have them except used. They just don't make much "hard sci fi" any more.

That does not bother me (buying used) its lawful its moral.

Point is IF YOU LAWFULLY POSSESS the book in a LAWFUL FORMAT there is no "moral" issues with downloading the exact same thing in another format.

it would be perfectly legal for you to sit at your computer with that purchased (new or used) book and TYPE OUT the book and put it on your reader.

So I have no moral issue with downloading the book.

There is not ONE SINGLE THING iffy about this Pilotbob and your deceptive to use such words that way. Unless of course you think buying used books is iffy and potentially immoral?

what I won't do i pay $10 or $15 for a book ie the SAME price as the print book KNOWING the author gets not a PENNY more than he would from the PRINT version. IE the publisher gets all that massive increase in profit.

and on top of that such books are STRIPPING me of my property rights via DRM.

I am sorry I care more about "my" PPR than I do about the book seller or even the authors profits.

Please note 99% of the time this is NOT an author issue. in fact 99.99999% of the time it has NOTHING to do with the authors. They would gladly release it DRM FREE.

its the publishers IE the middle men. the sooner we can rid ourselves of the middle men in IPR issues the sooner we can have SANE IPR laws.

alas I was not around 15 20 40 years ago to "buy" the books I tend to like in "print" format. So used is the only way I can go most of the time.

I am too impatient to "wait" for used so if something new comes out I go out immediately and buy it. alas that happens rarely. I stalk the book store isles quite a lot and there is hardly anything "new" worth reading.

in the last few years a few good things came out. The Flint series was great. The Triangle series was great.

but I eat up a regular novel in 2 days tops 3 or 4 if I am really busy. many times if I get one in the morning by 3 or 4 am the next morning I am done.

so its to the used bins to find stuff I have not read yet. :-)

BenG · 02-27-2010, 10:07 PM

There's plenty of hard sci-fi. It's just that hard sci-fi seems to have come to mean military sci-fi, which I'm not as much interested in.

nerys · 02-27-2010, 10:16 PM

well thats not hard sci-fi thats military sci-fi :-) and yeah most of does not really interest me either.

Just finished Singularity Sky by Charles Stross and LOVED IT half way through Iron Sunrise now.

Missle Gap was a good quick read.

Want to read a GREAT hard sci fi? Hal Clement - Mission of Gravity! great great book. It has a sequel that I read as well but I forgot its name.

There was another I just read about alien life forming on a star fragment that was passing through out system. WOW good stuff!

THAT is hard sci fi :-)

Joebill · 02-27-2010, 11:25 PM

Hard sci-fi, to me anyway, means the author has tried to keep the science in the story fairly accurate. There may be aliens, faster than light ships, etc. in the story, but the rest of it is kept to scientific accuracies.

One of the big things that bothers me about certains types of science fiction, like the move 'Alien', is that it is more of a monster, or horror, movie placed in a science fiction setting. And it could be placed on Earth, without the sapceships, and it still works. 'The Thing' being one such story. Hard sci-fi, with several fictional things added in.

As for books, most I want are out of print. Some the author has died. Its almost impossible to find, other than as used, sf books written in the 1950s and 1960s.

Some used book sellers that go to sf conventions charge more than book cover price for them.

Of course, many of the 1950s sf paperbacks sold for under one dollar. So me having to pay $2-4 to get it into my collection so I can read it, isn't too bad a price.

I have seen some used book sellers over the years charge $10 or more for a book I want that cost under $1 new. I rarely pay that much. I'll not buy it, if the markup is too much.

Most used book sellers, weather at a convention or in their store, I have encountered are usually willing to trade books. Typically 1 of theirs for 2-3 of mine.

I do have a number of books by authors who have died, and their books are out of print. Those I wont trade. While I have tried to get complete 'sets' for such authors, I doubt I'll find everything they wrote.

Joebill · 02-27-2010, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nerys

well thats not hard sci-fi thats military sci-fi :-) and yeah most of does not really interest me either.

Just finished Singularity Sky by Charles Stross and LOVED IT half way through Iron Sunrise now.

Missle Gap was a good quick read.

Want to read a GREAT hard sci fi? Hal Clement - Mission of Gravity! great great book. It has a sequel that I read as well but I forgot its name.

There was another I just read about alien life forming on a star fragment that was passing through out system. WOW good stuff!

THAT is hard sci fi :-)

Hal Clement writes some great stuff. I have both of those, but my paperbacks are in storage, so I am presently unable to look up the second one.

Aha ! quick search: 'Star Light' was the second Mesklinite book.

book 1 was 'Mission of Gravity'

nerys · 02-28-2010, 01:45 AM

I wish he did more with the mesklinite's SO much potential!

alas what you describe is hard scifi is star trek. where they try and keep the science right for the most part (I also love star trek).

for me hard sci fi is where THE CORE FOCUS of the story is the Science.

With Mission of Gravity is was the exploration of ULTRA High G worlds. What they would look like How things might live their etc..

Where the science comes front and center and is the whole point of the story.

its not a story wrapped with future science (thats science fiction)

its FUTURE SCIENCE wrapped with a Story (thats hard sci fi)

at least thats the kind of hard sci fi I CRAVE :-) hehe

I also love realistic "first contact" style stories. Now those are REALLY hard to find :-) (mission of gravity also fell into that category)

pilotbob · 02-28-2010, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nerys

I wish he did more with the mesklinite's SO much potential!

alas what you describe is hard scifi is star trek. where they try and keep the science right for the most part (I also love star trek).

for me hard sci fi is where THE CORE FOCUS of the story is the Science.

With Mission of Gravity is was the exploration of ULTRA High G worlds. What they would look like How things might live their etc..

Where the science comes front and center and is the whole point of the story.

its not a story wrapped with future science (thats science fiction)

its FUTURE SCIENCE wrapped with a Story (thats hard sci fi)

at least thats the kind of hard sci fi I CRAVE :-) hehe

I also love realistic "first contact" style stories. Now those are REALLY hard to find :-) (mission of gravity also fell into that category)

Have you tried http://www.stevejordanbooks.com/novels/bundles.htm#hard ??

BOb

nerys · 02-28-2010, 02:29 PM

while they do not appear immediately to be must haves they are interesting I will certainly look into them! Always craving MORE MORE MORE :-) hehe

Joebill · 03-11-2010, 06:20 PM

several books on authoriing I have read specifically state that to ignore Star Trek for science. I watch Discovery science channel. Much of the 'science' on star trek isn't science.

I noticed the time it takes for the same starship on that show to get from one star system to another, same route, takes different amounts of time. They use the travel time as a plot device.

There are much better places to get correct science for stories.

09-20-2009, 06:26 PM	#1
Stefx Enthusiast Posts: 35 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad 2	Joe Haldeman - The Forever War Hi I'm having trouble locating an eBook version of this SciFi classic. I'd appreciate if anyone could give me an idea where I could obtain it. Many thanks

02-27-2010, 06:36 PM	#3
nerys Addict Posts: 243 Karma: 48 Join Date: Dec 2006 Device: PRS 500 - REB 1200	The solution for me would be easy. GO buy the book. Got it? good now go find a torrent or rapidshare download and enjoy. Your conscious will be clear you will be morally "in the green" so just go with it. Every single book I download and read I BUY. I have a bit of an addiction to having the actual paper books on hand. :-) I usually get them for around 50 cents to $3 on ebay and amazon. Reminds me time to search CL for some more of those neat book cases I have been finding. I am out of shelf space again :-) Last edited by nerys; 02-27-2010 at 06:42 PM.

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owlrigh Bibliomanist Posts: 99 Karma: 26 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Australia, somewhere Device: [past:PRS-700, PRS-505, PRS-T2] Now: Kobo Glo HD, Samsung G7 Edge	I had a look on ebookprice.info and The Forever War doesn't appear to be able to be had in ebook form. Googling it had it had the first entry as an illegal torrent! Goes to show that it's highly wanted; the publishers should sit up and note that it'd be a good idea to release as an ebook, especially seeing as they've got the A Separate War available in ebook form, and that's set in that world.

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BenG Home Guard Posts: 4,730 Karma: 86721650 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alpha Ralpha Boulevard Device: Kindle Oasis 3G, iPhone 6	But when you buy a used book you remove a copy from the market and may force someone else to buy a new book. (if it's in print.)

02-27-2010, 08:38 PM	#6
Joebill Fanatic Posts: 517 Karma: 459442 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Alpha Centauri's Library of Alexandria Device: Pandigital Novel	sf conventions sometimes have sellers of used books in their merchant rooms. Many sf authors know about this. It does help to find out of print authors and books. I spend lots of money for new books at the bookstore, but not everything I want is available there nor through their mail order business.

02-27-2010, 10:04 PM	#7
nerys Addict Posts: 243 Karma: 48 Join Date: Dec 2006 Device: PRS 500 - REB 1200	Well good luck finding any books "I WANT" in a regular books store. Even amazon most of the time does not have them except used. They just don't make much "hard sci fi" any more. That does not bother me (buying used) its lawful its moral. Point is IF YOU LAWFULLY POSSESS the book in a LAWFUL FORMAT there is no "moral" issues with downloading the exact same thing in another format. it would be perfectly legal for you to sit at your computer with that purchased (new or used) book and TYPE OUT the book and put it on your reader. So I have no moral issue with downloading the book. There is not ONE SINGLE THING iffy about this Pilotbob and your deceptive to use such words that way. Unless of course you think buying used books is iffy and potentially immoral? what I won't do i pay $10 or $15 for a book ie the SAME price as the print book KNOWING the author gets not a PENNY more than he would from the PRINT version. IE the publisher gets all that massive increase in profit. and on top of that such books are STRIPPING me of my property rights via DRM. I am sorry I care more about "my" PPR than I do about the book seller or even the authors profits. Please note 99% of the time this is NOT an author issue. in fact 99.99999% of the time it has NOTHING to do with the authors. They would gladly release it DRM FREE. its the publishers IE the middle men. the sooner we can rid ourselves of the middle men in IPR issues the sooner we can have SANE IPR laws. alas I was not around 15 20 40 years ago to "buy" the books I tend to like in "print" format. So used is the only way I can go most of the time. I am too impatient to "wait" for used so if something new comes out I go out immediately and buy it. alas that happens rarely. I stalk the book store isles quite a lot and there is hardly anything "new" worth reading. in the last few years a few good things came out. The Flint series was great. The Triangle series was great. but I eat up a regular novel in 2 days tops 3 or 4 if I am really busy. many times if I get one in the morning by 3 or 4 am the next morning I am done. so its to the used bins to find stuff I have not read yet. :-)

02-27-2010, 10:07 PM	#8
BenG Home Guard Posts: 4,730 Karma: 86721650 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Alpha Ralpha Boulevard Device: Kindle Oasis 3G, iPhone 6	There's plenty of hard sci-fi. It's just that hard sci-fi seems to have come to mean military sci-fi, which I'm not as much interested in.

02-27-2010, 10:16 PM	#9
nerys Addict Posts: 243 Karma: 48 Join Date: Dec 2006 Device: PRS 500 - REB 1200	well thats not hard sci-fi thats military sci-fi :-) and yeah most of does not really interest me either. Just finished Singularity Sky by Charles Stross and LOVED IT half way through Iron Sunrise now. Missle Gap was a good quick read. Want to read a GREAT hard sci fi? Hal Clement - Mission of Gravity! great great book. It has a sequel that I read as well but I forgot its name. There was another I just read about alien life forming on a star fragment that was passing through out system. WOW good stuff! THAT is hard sci fi :-)

02-27-2010, 11:25 PM	#10
Joebill Fanatic Posts: 517 Karma: 459442 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Alpha Centauri's Library of Alexandria Device: Pandigital Novel	Hard sci-fi, to me anyway, means the author has tried to keep the science in the story fairly accurate. There may be aliens, faster than light ships, etc. in the story, but the rest of it is kept to scientific accuracies. One of the big things that bothers me about certains types of science fiction, like the move 'Alien', is that it is more of a monster, or horror, movie placed in a science fiction setting. And it could be placed on Earth, without the sapceships, and it still works. 'The Thing' being one such story. Hard sci-fi, with several fictional things added in. As for books, most I want are out of print. Some the author has died. Its almost impossible to find, other than as used, sf books written in the 1950s and 1960s. Some used book sellers that go to sf conventions charge more than book cover price for them. Of course, many of the 1950s sf paperbacks sold for under one dollar. So me having to pay $2-4 to get it into my collection so I can read it, isn't too bad a price. I have seen some used book sellers over the years charge $10 or more for a book I want that cost under $1 new. I rarely pay that much. I'll not buy it, if the markup is too much. Most used book sellers, weather at a convention or in their store, I have encountered are usually willing to trade books. Typically 1 of theirs for 2-3 of mine. I do have a number of books by authors who have died, and their books are out of print. Those I wont trade. While I have tried to get complete 'sets' for such authors, I doubt I'll find everything they wrote.

02-28-2010, 01:45 AM	#12
nerys Addict Posts: 243 Karma: 48 Join Date: Dec 2006 Device: PRS 500 - REB 1200	I wish he did more with the mesklinite's SO much potential! alas what you describe is hard scifi is star trek. where they try and keep the science right for the most part (I also love star trek). for me hard sci fi is where THE CORE FOCUS of the story is the Science. With Mission of Gravity is was the exploration of ULTRA High G worlds. What they would look like How things might live their etc.. Where the science comes front and center and is the whole point of the story. its not a story wrapped with future science (thats science fiction) its FUTURE SCIENCE wrapped with a Story (thats hard sci fi) at least thats the kind of hard sci fi I CRAVE :-) hehe I also love realistic "first contact" style stories. Now those are REALLY hard to find :-) (mission of gravity also fell into that category)

02-28-2010, 02:29 PM	#14
nerys Addict Posts: 243 Karma: 48 Join Date: Dec 2006 Device: PRS 500 - REB 1200	while they do not appear immediately to be must haves they are interesting I will certainly look into them! Always craving MORE MORE MORE :-) hehe

03-11-2010, 06:20 PM	#15
Joebill Fanatic Posts: 517 Karma: 459442 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Alpha Centauri's Library of Alexandria Device: Pandigital Novel	several books on authoriing I have read specifically state that to ignore Star Trek for science. I watch Discovery science channel. Much of the 'science' on star trek isn't science. I noticed the time it takes for the same starship on that show to get from one star system to another, same route, takes different amounts of time. They use the travel time as a plot device. There are much better places to get correct science for stories.

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