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A novelist accused of using AI. Why the literary world still grapples with guardrails
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If a moderator can add the "ardrails" to the end of thread title, appreciated. If not just cut where it makes sense.
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Personally, I have no objection to an author using AI as a tool in brainstorming, outlining, continuity, etc. I do object where pretty much the entire book is "created" by the AI which is happening all too often in the current market.
OTOH, AI detection tools are still notoriously bad at detecting AI created content. I still have a bad habit of occasionally submitting content from ebooks I own to those tools just to see what the results are. In my last set of tests using Winston AI, Originality.AI, Grammarly AI Detector and GPTZero, two of them suggested that chapters from 4 books in Andre Norton's Witch World series were the product of AI. I hadn't realized that AI was around prior to 1963! None of the 4 were able to detect AI content with high reliability and the number of false positives was unacceptable for detecting the use of AI by highschool students which was my area of interest in the use of AI. |
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It's a tough one, and it's only going to get tougher. It's unacceptable to me that the accusation of AI can ruin a career without any real proof. It's an accusation that gets thrown around quite a lot in some indie communities I am familiar with, and it kind of needs to be squashed.
But on the other hand, the industry now has to cope with an even greater flood of lazy soulless garbage, and I don't really want to read that. But is there a line? If the story and characters and setting are all created by a human and AI was merely used to make it readable, would that be OK? I don't know. I don't know if I'd recognise it. I read a book not long ago that was full of weird non-sequiturs and continuity errors. I wondered if those were signs of AI, but I never voiced that accusation, and I think the book might be too old for that to be feasible. My problem with AI is not so much with the tools - some of which are probably fine - but with the corporate land-grab. The Enclosure. Don't think for yourself, let our trillion dollar data centres do it for you. |
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Since most literature is in one way or another rather generic (especially if something is published as series) I think it's only logically to use LLMs sooner or later. If someone comes up with a some novel plot, that sells really well, soon more writers will publish something similar to jump on the bandwagon.
If I like reading something it really doesn't matter for me if what I read just follows some generic formula or was written by a LLM, a parrot (the LLM of the bird world), a whale or a loaf of bread. I really don't see a label like "Human Authored" as a sign of quality. There are so many badly written books by human authors. Besides..."Human Authored"? Why not "human written" or "written by human(s)"? Wiktionary defines "to author" as: Quote:
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English isn't my native tongue but I think using the label "Human Authored" is really stupid since it's ambiguous. The covers of books in recent years look very generic as well. If there's a book that's sells very well, soon more books covers will look more or less the same. There are books I wouldn't touch based on their cover. |
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Bad books are still bad books. Good books are still good books. Meh books are still meh books. Other than that, I really don't care. And I certainly don't have a lot of sympathy for those who have fought tooth and nail to remain the sole gatekeepers of what gets published, now that they have to face some difficulty in that regard.
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Yes, that's what is really disturbing, and on top of that, I'm unsure how to prove/disprove if AI is used? Writing is solitary job, so how exactly is author supposed to prove he wrote the book himself without using AI? There are authors who write across genres with different styles and ones who got late into writing. Editing/translating will also impact the work.
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HarperCollins, one of the big five.
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Severeal years ago there has been many of those "appreciations", e.g. in SF there were themes that would have become common, or machines that one "build" on a novel, and lately others "copied" by including them on their stories. That happened also into the music. That's certainly - imho - an human interpretation, of a work started by someone else, olso often it was really an appreciation to that, but that ofc is something made within a counsciousness. Otherwhise I don't know how that wouldn't be just business. As a consumer I won't point fingers at all, I'd just won't buy if not enhanched by. |
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