Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book Readers > Amazon Kindle

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-18-2022, 08:34 PM   #1
leebase
Karma Kameleon
leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
leebase's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,870
Karma: 26612939
Join Date: Aug 2009
Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn
The Power of Kindle Unlimited

Amazon finally hooked me. I got several months of Kindle Unlimited for free when I bought an eInk Kindle. And then when I bought another ('cuz I gave away my first)....the subscription kept going.

And then I started getting the charges. But by then my wife was regularly reading the KU books and so was I.

I read about a book a week or two. Nothing compared to many of you. I am at a point in life where the price of a book has not been an obstacle to my reading.

But now - now I am sucked into ONLY reading KU. I read the first 3 books in a series and really enjoyed them (The Jericho Quinn series by Marc Cameron). The rest of the series cost $8 each. Not even expensive. But am I reading those?

No.

I'm looking for the next thriller or sci-fi that's included in my KU subscription. Why? Because I'm now bound to "get my money's worth".

I know it's stupid. But it's true. There are books from authors I would be reading, would be paying for, and NOT minding the cost....but I'm compelled to read a KU book because I'm paying for the monthly subscription.

This isn't like Apple Music where pretty much all the music I want to listen to is part of the service. If I wasn't on KU, I doubt that I'd be reading hardly ANY of the KU books I read.

I'm not complaining - I'm just bringing the topic up for discussion. I find KU to be a good value. I'm enjoying the books I'm reading. I, of course, am not hindered from buying any other book. It's just human nature to look for value.
leebase is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2022, 08:39 PM   #2
ownedbycats
Grand Sorcerer
ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
ownedbycats's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,004
Karma: 24003172
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Canada
Device: Kobo Aura HD (retired), Kobo Libra H2O
Another fun thing: Kindle Unlimited forces the authors into exclusivity with Kindle. Several books on my wishlist have vanished from the Kobo Store when the author decided to switch to KU. It's really some anticompetitive shit.
ownedbycats is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 11-18-2022, 08:44 PM   #3
Sirtel
Grand Sorcerer
Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sirtel ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Sirtel's Avatar
 
Posts: 6,619
Karma: 203790330
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Estonia
Device: Kobo Sage & Libra 2
Nah. KU isn't available in my country, but if it was, I would not feel compelled to use every inch of it for my money's worth. For example, I have Netflix, but often I don't watch anything there for weeks or even months.

But then I have a pretty lazy and relaxed attitude toward money. Nice if you have it, but I'm not obsessed about using every penny wisely. Money comes and money goes.
Sirtel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2022, 08:46 PM   #4
DuskyRose
Guru
DuskyRose ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DuskyRose ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DuskyRose ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DuskyRose ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DuskyRose ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DuskyRose ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DuskyRose ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DuskyRose ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DuskyRose ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DuskyRose ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DuskyRose ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
DuskyRose's Avatar
 
Posts: 643
Karma: 8404044
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Virginia
Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Kobo Libra 2, Ipad Mini and Pro
Quote:
Originally Posted by leebase View Post
I find KU to be a good value. I'm enjoying the books I'm reading. I, of course, am not hindered from buying any other book. It's just human nature to look for value.
I had KU for six months, when it came with a deal of some sort. I made sure to read enough to cover that six month's cost, and did that in about two months or so. Got my money's worth out of it, then canceled after the six months were up.

Not because I didn't like it, but because I was planning to hit a few very long series I'd been saving, so wouldn't be using KU for months.

I have a list of KU books for the next time I get restless and don't want to wallow in anything long. I found several I enjoyed, and just moved on quickly to better ones if I found I didn't enjoy them.

So, I'll certainly be back to KU one of these days, when I whittle my TBR pile down a bit. Some of the series I've been collecting on sales, that I do want to read, are missing books and they're KU now. That'll be a good reason to jump back in to fill in those blanks.
DuskyRose is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2022, 08:48 PM   #5
ownedbycats
Grand Sorcerer
ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
ownedbycats's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,004
Karma: 24003172
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Canada
Device: Kobo Aura HD (retired), Kobo Libra H2O
I don't have KU, but I do pay $10 a year for Kobo VIP, which gives me double the 'loyalty points' (which I can spend on books), a 10% discount, and a free book each year.

Since getting it, I have bought books on Kobo even when they were slightly cheaper elsewhere. (Usually not more than the 10% discount, though.)
ownedbycats is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 11-18-2022, 08:57 PM   #6
haertig
Wizard
haertig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.haertig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.haertig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.haertig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.haertig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.haertig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.haertig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.haertig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.haertig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.haertig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.haertig ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 1,432
Karma: 18168900
Join Date: Sep 2017
Device: PW3, Fire HD8 Gen7, Moto G7, Sansa Clip v2, Ruizu X26
At my reading speed, it is cheaper for me to BUY the books than to RENT them from KU. So I only subscribe to KU intermittently - when they have special deals. Usually those deals are around Black Friday and Prime Day. Also, if you buy a Kindle or a Fire tablet you get a free deal for that.

I am currently not subscribed to KU, but I'll be looking around Black Friday (very soon!) to see if any deals pop up. Normal price is too high to be of value to me at my reading speed. Others, who read faster, would see a different value/cost ratio.

I just looked on the Amazon website - KU is still $9.99/month for me. I think Amazon may tailor their deals based on account, and heavy deal users (like me) might start getting left behind. Anyway, no deals for me yet...
haertig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2022, 10:37 PM   #7
leebase
Karma Kameleon
leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
leebase's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,870
Karma: 26612939
Join Date: Aug 2009
Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn
this is not a thread about Kindles or Kindles books. It's a thread about the market power of Amazon and the effect of it's subscription service to diminish competition
leebase is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2022, 11:04 PM   #8
ownedbycats
Grand Sorcerer
ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ownedbycats ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
ownedbycats's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,004
Karma: 24003172
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Canada
Device: Kobo Aura HD (retired), Kobo Libra H2O
Quote:
Originally Posted by leebase View Post
this is not a thread about Kindles or Kindles books. It's a thread about the market power of Amazon and the effect of it's subscription service to diminish competition
Yes, I kinda kind of got what you were trying to say (which is why I also mentioned the exclusivity thing).

That said, posts referring specific platforms usually get moved to that platform-specific section.
ownedbycats is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2022, 11:26 PM   #9
leebase
Karma Kameleon
leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.leebase ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
leebase's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,870
Karma: 26612939
Join Date: Aug 2009
Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn
Quote:
Originally Posted by ownedbycats View Post
Yes, I kinda kind of got what you were trying to say (which is why I also mentioned the exclusivity thing).

That said, posts referring specific platforms usually get moved to that platform-specific section.
Which isn't appropriate this time because although it happens to mention KU, it's not about Kindles or Kindle books, but the power of subscription
leebase is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2022, 12:38 AM   #10
ZodWallop
Gentleman and scholar
ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
ZodWallop's Avatar
 
Posts: 9,143
Karma: 80109808
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Space City, Texas
Device: Clara HD; Nook ST w/Glowlight, (2015) Glowlight Plus, Glowlight 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by ownedbycats View Post
Another fun thing: Kindle Unlimited forces the authors into exclusivity with Kindle... It's really some anticompetitive shit.
Yeah. I don't like the 'have to become Amazon exclusive' clause.

Now that Kobo has a competing service, maybe Amazon could limit KU books from being on another 'streaming' service, but otherwise not care where the books are sold.

Before folks come on with their 'the authors have a choice, take it or leave it', I'm not trying to start an argument. I just don't think there's any harm in allowing small authors to go wide as far as selling the book, while allowing those books to be in their streaming KU program. As the first post shows, KU reads are different than book sales. Having the first few books in KU didn't convince leebase to buy the ones that weren't.

Last edited by ZodWallop; 11-19-2022 at 12:43 AM.
ZodWallop is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2022, 12:44 AM   #11
ZodWallop
Gentleman and scholar
ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.ZodWallop ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
ZodWallop's Avatar
 
Posts: 9,143
Karma: 80109808
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Space City, Texas
Device: Clara HD; Nook ST w/Glowlight, (2015) Glowlight Plus, Glowlight 3
And yeah, I'm kinda sad this was moved to the Kindle section. It feels like a more general discussion.
ZodWallop is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2022, 02:59 AM   #12
darryl
Wizard
darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.darryl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
darryl's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,101
Karma: 59014368
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Australia
Device: Kobo Aura H2O, Kindle Oasis, Huwei Ascend Mate 7
I am a long-term KU subscriber. I have kept subscribing for longer terms at a substantial discount when it is on sale. There are many excellent books in KU, and I believe it has been great value for money. If I like the first book of a series in KU I have no hesitation in purchasing the later books provided I consider them to be reasonably priced, which they usually are. I'm very happy with KU.

However, having said this, I am very pleased to see that Kobo is starting to get its act together, firstly with its own self-publishing platform and now with its subscription program. Unfortunately Kobo started both very late in the piece and is playing catch-up. Unfortunately it seems to me that that there are few reasons for authors to self-publish with Kobo rather than Amazon. Nor to join Kobo's subscrition program rather than KU. Of course Kobo does not impose exclusivity which will attract some. But will it be enough? On the other side of the equation it seems to me that Kobo's subscriptuin service offers little value comparted to KU. Perhaps if they were able to attract support from the larger tradpubs, even on backlist titles, this may help. But I won't be holding my breath. The last time I checked Kobo were yet to launch the service in the US.

Full marks to Kobo for trying. Some competition for Amazon would in my view be a very good thing. However, unless I am missing something I doubt this is going to do it.
darryl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2022, 05:27 AM   #13
John F
Grand Sorcerer
John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 6,241
Karma: 50482419
Join Date: Feb 2009
Device: Kobo Glo HD
Quote:
Originally Posted by ownedbycats View Post
Another fun thing: Kindle Unlimited forces the authors into exclusivity with Kindle. Several books on my wishlist have vanished from the Kobo Store when the author decided to switch to KU. It's really some anticompetitive shit.
Where do you report violations?

https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/a-c...y-for-murder-3

https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Murder-K.../dp/B07F2N3PRB

and also available at libraries.
John F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2022, 05:30 AM   #14
John F
Grand Sorcerer
John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.John F ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 6,241
Karma: 50482419
Join Date: Feb 2009
Device: Kobo Glo HD
Quote:
Originally Posted by leebase View Post
this is not a thread about Kindles or Kindles books. It's a thread about the market power of Amazon and the effect of it's subscription service to diminish competition
Seems like the price fix six (to coin JSWolf's phrase) did more to diminish competition then KU?
John F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2022, 07:05 AM   #15
JSWolf
Resident Curmudgeon
JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JSWolf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JSWolf's Avatar
 
Posts: 68,651
Karma: 113245921
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts
Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3
Quote:
Originally Posted by John F View Post
Seems like the price fix six (to coin JSWolf's phrase) did more to diminish competition then KU?
Exactly correct. Back then, there was no KU.
JSWolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Kindle Unlimited heatherkobo Amazon Kindle 3 03-21-2022 03:31 PM
kindle unlimited haskel Amazon Kindle 6 10-26-2017 12:26 AM
Kindle Unlimited KyBunnies Amazon Kindle 4 02-28-2015 03:04 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:58 PM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.