are deDRM ebooks identifiable ?

Bilan · 07-18-2021, 05:16 AM

Hello,

Let's say a friend of mine (

) buys books on Amazon. He removes DRM so he can lend it to all his friends. But one of those friends could accidentally let one or several borrowed ebooks go on internet.

Is there any possibility and/or danger for my friend that the deDRM'ed books are identified ( we can find who initially bought it ) and my friend would get troubles ?

Thank you

Calenorn · 07-18-2021, 05:19 AM

... in three ... two ...

Bilan · 07-18-2021, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calenorn

... in three ... two ...

Forbidden question ?

Can you answer before my post is deleted ?

Calenorn · 07-18-2021, 05:28 AM

No...

Bilan · 07-18-2021, 05:30 AM

No to what ? identifiable ? Forbidden question ? can answer?

Plz, don't answer anymore it's ok

Calenorn · 07-18-2021, 05:31 AM

Okay. I won't.

JSWolf · 07-18-2021, 06:18 AM

Yes, there is a watermark in the Kindle eBooks even after the DRM has been removed. So if you do put them on the net, they can be traced back to whoever purchased it.

So given that you don't trust your friends enough to not release these eBooks onto the net, don't give them a copy. You could get in pretty big trouble.

Bilan · 07-18-2021, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Yes, there is a watermark in the Kindle eBooks even after the DRM has been removed. So if you do put them on the net, they can be traced back to whoever purchased it.

So given that you don't trust your friends enough to not release these eBooks onto the net, don't give them a copy. You could get in pretty big trouble.

Thank you JSWolf ! Your answer is helpful. Completely different from the precedent enigmatic useless ones.

jhowell · 07-18-2021, 08:07 AM

The answer from JSWolf does not apply only to Kindle books sold with DRM. Many books are sold DRM-free and those also contain a watermark.

I support social measures like watermarks to discourage piracy so I decline to provide assistance with their removal.

Bilan · 07-18-2021, 08:38 AM

I guess you live in a nice country then. Lucky you !
Here our politicians show us the way of scheming. And when they do very bad things, they escape justice thanks to some strings well pulled.
So compare to all of that, year after year, sharing some books raise no more guilt.

jhowell · 07-18-2021, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilan

So compare to all of that, year after year, sharing some books raise no more guilt.

Sharing books between friends and family is fine with me and unlikely to get you into any trouble. Even Amazon supports some limited ways of doing that without breaking DRM.

Wholesale piracy harms authors and is a different issue in my opinion.

leebase · 07-18-2021, 12:37 PM

I steal book but my politicians do worse things, so it's ok I'm a thief? Ok then

Prestidigitweeze · 07-18-2021, 12:53 PM

I've removed DRM on Kindle books just to be able to read what I've bought legitimately on different devices, correct scan errors and control my own library. There really doesn't have to be a personal distribution network involved and I personally wouldn't trust one.

It's interesting that Google Books began with the values you've expressed (books should be free, if I read you correctly) as its principle. That didn't last, however.

Bilan · 07-18-2021, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leebase

I steal book but my politicians do worse things, so it's ok I'm a thief? Ok then

So you do same ? good

We are legion on internet

Bilan · 07-18-2021, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhowell

Sharing books between friends and family is fine with me and unlikely to get you into any trouble. Even Amazon supports some limited ways of doing that without breaking DRM.

Wholesale piracy harms authors and is a different issue in my opinion.

Their publishers hurt them a lot more in my opinion. That's why some would like to go with auto-publish. Same with singers.

Thank you anyway.
And thank you to someone who gave me the way to remove the watermark in pm.

07-18-2021, 05:16 AM	#1
Bilan Member Posts: 14 Karma: 25136 Join Date: Dec 2018 Device: Kobo Clara hd	are deDRM ebooks identifiable ? Hello, Let's say a friend of mine ( ) buys books on Amazon. He removes DRM so he can lend it to all his friends. But one of those friends could accidentally let one or several borrowed ebooks go on internet. Is there any possibility and/or danger for my friend that the deDRM'ed books are identified ( we can find who initially bought it ) and my friend would get troubles ? Thank you

07-18-2021, 12:53 PM	#13
Prestidigitweeze Fledgling Demagogue Posts: 2,382 Karma: 28996053 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: White Plains Device: Clara HD; Oasis 2; Aura HD; iPad Air; PRS-350; Galaxy S7.	I've removed DRM on Kindle books just to be able to read what I've bought legitimately on different devices, correct scan errors and control my own library. There really doesn't have to be a personal distribution network involved and I personally wouldn't trust one. It's interesting that Google Books began with the values you've expressed (books should be free, if I read you correctly) as its principle. That didn't last, however. Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 07-18-2021 at 12:56 PM.

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Calenorn Brash Fumbler Posts: 845 Karma: 7068713 Join Date: May 2013 Device: NST, Kobo Mini	... in three ... two ...

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Bilan Member Posts: 14 Karma: 25136 Join Date: Dec 2018 Device: Kobo Clara hd	No to what ? identifiable ? Forbidden question ? can answer? Plz, don't answer anymore it's ok

07-18-2021, 05:31 AM	#6
Calenorn Brash Fumbler Posts: 845 Karma: 7068713 Join Date: May 2013 Device: NST, Kobo Mini	Okay. I won't.

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JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 63,614 Karma: 103394323 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, iPad 4, iPhone SE 2020, PW3	Yes, there is a watermark in the Kindle eBooks even after the DRM has been removed. So if you do put them on the net, they can be traced back to whoever purchased it. So given that you don't trust your friends enough to not release these eBooks onto the net, don't give them a copy. You could get in pretty big trouble.

07-18-2021, 08:07 AM	#9
jhowell Wizard Posts: 4,579 Karma: 44445555 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida Device: Oasis 2, Fire, iPad Air 2, Nexus 7	The answer from JSWolf does not apply only to Kindle books sold with DRM. Many books are sold DRM-free and those also contain a watermark. I support social measures like watermarks to discourage piracy so I decline to provide assistance with their removal.

07-18-2021, 08:38 AM	#10
Bilan Member Posts: 14 Karma: 25136 Join Date: Dec 2018 Device: Kobo Clara hd	I guess you live in a nice country then. Lucky you ! Here our politicians show us the way of scheming. And when they do very bad things, they escape justice thanks to some strings well pulled. So compare to all of that, year after year, sharing some books raise no more guilt.

07-18-2021, 12:37 PM	#12
leebase Karma Kameleon Posts: 2,817 Karma: 26572249 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn	I steal book but my politicians do worse things, so it's ok I'm a thief? Ok then

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