Reading Progress button moved?

[tayseidel]

I've just went from firmware 4.12x to 4.18x on my Kobo H20 Gen 1. Both firmware versions were/are patched. I use the Kobo extended driver to convert my epubs to kepub when sending to device.



I noticed that the Reading stats button has been moved from the bottom scrubber to the "hamburger" 3 dot menu. It is now called Reading progress.



I don't like this. Any way to move back to the bottom as a button via a patch?

[MGlitch]

Not sure if that's possible, I don't know the magic of making patches.

However that feature it's currently bugged, it wont update until you go out of the book (home screen, library, whatever) and then back in.

You can display the chapter and book progress in the header and footer as time remaining. If you don't like the default locations for the chapter/book there is a patch to swap them. However it requires you have both the header and footer on in order to update.

Without the patch you can have either on or off, but you're stuck with the information being displayed where Kobo set it.

[tayseidel]

I didn't notice that the stats were bugged until you mentioned it. That's a bummer.

I have the book progress as a percentage on the top and the chapter page number on the bottom via the patch. That will do for now. For this reason I'll stay with kepubs.

Do epubs still have problems with displaying accurate page #s? It was frustrating how sometimes I would stay on the same page # through 2-3 page turns sometimes.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by tayseidel

I didn't notice that the stats were bugged until you mentioned it. That's a bummer.

I have the book progress as a percentage on the top and the chapter page number on the bottom via the patch. That will do for now. For this reason I'll stay with kepubs.

Do epubs still have problems with displaying accurate page #s? It was frustrating how sometimes I would stay on the same page # through 2-3 page turns sometimes.

I believe everything is now on one screen = one page ePub still can enable ADE Page Numbers which is similar to what you’re describing but it’s not a forced on thing.

The progress in header/footer is also available in ePub I think

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by tayseidel

I didn't notice that the stats were bugged until you mentioned it. That's a bummer.

I have the book progress as a percentage on the top and the chapter page number on the bottom via the patch. That will do for now. For this reason I'll stay with kepubs.

Do epubs still have problems with displaying accurate page #s? It was frustrating how sometimes I would stay on the same page # through 2-3 page turns sometimes.

ePub page numbers are accurate. There are no problems. The issue you are seeing is due to the way ePub page numbers work. 1 page = 1024 compressed bytes. So the bigger your font size, bigger your line height, bigger your margins are the less on screen so the change of having this 1024 compressed bytes on one page is not happening and is spreading across multiple pages. The more ePub you read, the better you get to know ADE page numbers.

KePub pages numbers are almost worthless as they are 1 screen = 1 page since 4.18.

[tayseidel]

Is there something I am either not understanding or missing? I screen = 1 page sounds sensible to me. For example, I have Star Trek Destiny #1 open on my Kobo. On the top, it will say something like 341/546 and on the bottom, it might say something like 7/14 (for chapter). This helps me understand progress relative to the book, much like the feel of a book in your hand. One look at the book in your hand gives you a pretty good idea of where you are in the book.

With epub page #s, it is harder to see where I am relative to the book. I know that 1 screen = 1 page is worthless for citing something or for discussing what is on a specific page as a specific text passage would not be on the same page across devices.

What you said about 1024 bytes being on one page makes sense though. Smaller fonts, line spacing, and smaller margins would result in less screen/page turns being on the same page #.

[rashkae]

You missing JSwolf's infatuation with Adobe reader making Everything Adobe reader does right and proper, the definition of a new standard, and he'll keep pounding the pulpit until everyone agrees.

[Kindleing]

Originally Posted by tayseidel

I screen = 1 page sounds sensible to me. For example, I have Star Trek Destiny #1 open on my Kobo. On the top, it will say something like 341/546 and on the bottom, it might say something like 7/14 (for chapter). This helps me understand progress relative to the book, much like the feel of a book in your hand.

There are at least two points of view, if not more. One point of view wants to use page numbers as a guide to how big/long the book is. That helps them choose which book to begin reading when they are looking for something to read. Page numbering systems which vary based on font size or other criteria don't lend themselves to judging the length of a book as compared to some other book. They also don't lend themselves to group discussions, such as among book club members reading a common book.

I tend to be in the camp that uses page numbers to decide if I should start the next chapter or quit reading and go to bed. At that point I am already reading the book, and the length of that book compared to War and Peace is irrelevant. Once I have started a book I don't normally change the font or other settings which change page count, so 1 screen = 1 page is what I want to see.

But, like with most philosophical disputes, there is only One True Way.

[MGlitch]

Don’t mind Jon, you just accidentally insinuated ADE page numbers were not the be all end all of page numbering systems. And despite another thread in which ADE got soundly trounced for being hopelessly artificial and meaningless in many ways he still clings to it and tries to correct anyone’s opinion of not liking going three or more screens before the page numbers change.

Not that it matters because unless you enable ade page numbers on a Kobo in an ePub they won’t show up.

Not ironically it’s a feature so few people use that a patch exists to replace it with a toggle to invert the screen.

[mathil]

Originally Posted by MGlitch

However that feature it's currently bugged, it wont update until you go out of the book (home screen, library, whatever) and then back in.

I've just noticed, actually, that sometimes it does update normally without having to go back to the home screen. I'm not sure exactly what triggers it, and I've just noticed it with the book I'm reading right now, but I checked repeatedly at different points in the book and the graph was correct.

[rashkae]

Originally Posted by MGlitch

Not that it matters because unless you enable ade page numbers on a Kobo in an ePub they won’t show up.

Not ironically it’s a feature so few people use that a patch exists to replace it with a toggle to invert the screen.

Not quite correct. Enabling the page numbers in the side margin would show you exactly where in the text the "page" breaks were. But the same page numbering system is what calculates the page number displayed in the footer.

[Barbara1955]

ON my CLARA > Reading Settings>bottom of 1st page Check Show epub Page #> 2nd page click on Book Progress> You have several choices.... don't know about your device but give it a try see what you get.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by mathil

I've just noticed, actually, that sometimes it does update normally without having to go back to the home screen. I'm not sure exactly what triggers it, and I've just noticed it with the book I'm reading right now, but I checked repeatedly at different points in the book and the graph was correct.

From my experience, it will update correctly once per reading session. That confused me for a bit as I didn't usually check when I opened a book only after reading a bit. And it seemed OK. But, there might be circumstances where it works.

The good news is that it should be fixed in the next update.

[geek1011]

Originally Posted by davidfor

From my experience, it will update correctly once per reading session. That confused me for a bit as I didn't usually check when I opened a book only after reading a bit. And it seemed OK. But, there might be circumstances where it works.

I wonder if it has to do with how you navigate (links, scrubber, quick turn, etc).

The good news is that it should be fixed in the next update.

I hope that update is sometime in the next day or two or that it doesn't come for a few weeks, as I'll be busy in between...

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by tayseidel

I have the book progress as a percentage on the top and the chapter page number on the bottom via the patch. That will do for now. For this reason I'll stay with kepubs.

Be warned that the current patch doesn't work quite right. It is fine as long as you leave both header and footer on. But if you turn off one, the other will stop displaying page numbers.

Do epubs still have problems with displaying accurate page #s? It was frustrating how sometimes I would stay on the same page # through 2-3 page turns sometimes.

Page count is a bit of a tiresome holy war (well, I guess all holy wars are tiresome). Epub pages aren't bugged. They are designed to display that way. Like you, I prefer the 1 screen = 1 page that kepub does.