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Old 10-08-2019, 12:52 AM   #1
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So I finally got around to trying Dropbox on my Forma. Iím somewhat disappointed to be honest.

So getting an account is easy, though Dropbox does try and steer you into one of the paid options pretty hard. Itís worth getting a referral link since itís 500mb free for you and them.

Linking it with calibre is also easy just connect to folder and select the right one (this does have to be the one Kobo generates on your Dropbox your Forma doesnít see anything else).

So far so good right?

Well this is where the problems set in. Iím aware Dropbox canít read kepub files which for me doesnít matter. I donít want it to read them I just want it to act as a middleman from my computer or whatever device to my Forma. I would have thought this would be a no brainer for this set up. After all it has the option to download the files.

Oh boy was I wrong. The first time you try to get a particular kepub over to your Forma it asks about being sure you want to download it because Dropbox canít open it. I was holding out some hope here. Sure itíd be a pain to do bulk transfers this way but a few books here and there? No problem really. Still better than having to have my Forma plugged into my computer send the files over, eject it, wait for it to process and then enjoy my books.

But no. I have no idea where it tries to send the kepubs, syncing briefly shows ďfinishing download of file name.

But nothing appears in my books and nothing seems to have been written to the Kobo (plugging it in didnít show anything unless itís buried somewhere).

The first time I tried this converting the books to kepub in the transfer the second time I converted them on my computer.

I then tried ePub which did work though series data wasnít sent over, everything else seems to have been as the covers do display along with the author.

In the end this is disappointing Iím somewhat surprised Kobo wouldnít ensure their native format would be able to transfer using this method. I can forgive the series info not syncing as even directly putting it on the Kobo requires reconnecting it I believe.

I will not be using this feature until/unless kepub is actually supported. If Iíve missed something please let me know.
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I don't know about the formats, but I don't think series info can be sent over unless you use Calibre to update the database on the device?
With that said, I'm not sure what Kobo would do when approached with this kind of complaint. The kepub.epub files are a product of conversion and not something that you're actually 'supposed to have', though the developers must be aware of the conversion plugin in Calibre. The 'cloud storage' for your kepub files is supposed to be the Kobo store.
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Maybe it depends on the actual file extension. Do you send your kepubs as filename.kepub or filename.kepub.epub?
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Old 10-08-2019, 06:52 AM   #4
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I tried with the kobocloud plugin https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...49#post3900449 and it works for my Aura One but only with .epub and .kepub.epub files.

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Old 10-08-2019, 07:37 AM   #5
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One thing that everyone keeps forgetting is that Kobo doesn't actually support sideloading kepubs for everyday reading. And, their information page for adding books via Dropbox, https://help.kobo.com/hc/en-us/artic...r-with-Dropbox, has a link to the supported formats, https://help.kobo.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017763713.

But, I'm pretty sure someone else has already tested that with the extension as .kepub.epub, the books will downloads as kepubs.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:15 AM   #6
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But, I'm pretty sure someone else has already tested that with the extension as .kepub.epub, the books will downloads as kepubs.
Yep they do, tested it earlier with the plugin.
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:26 AM   #7
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One thing that everyone keeps forgetting is that Kobo doesn't actually support sideloading kepubs for everyday reading. And, their information page for adding books via Dropbox, https://help.kobo.com/hc/en-us/artic...r-with-Dropbox, has a link to the supported formats, https://help.kobo.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017763713.
To be fair, the first page says "You can add any supported file types to Dropbox and it will be added to your eReader after you sync."
I don't think most people would expect that 'supported file types' included Kobo's own ePub version, which apparently it doesn't, according to the second page.
I understand how that can make sense, if you understand Kobo's other positions, but it is extremely non-intuitive.
Once people understand that renaming the files works, I think this could be quite a useful feature. I could see myself using it if it was extended to other models.

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Old 10-08-2019, 10:22 AM   #8
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We've always had to rename KePubs in order to sideload them, so I'm not sure what's so surprising here?
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We've always had to rename KePubs in order to sideload them, so I'm not sure what's so surprising here?
Not so much surprising just disappointing that Kobo wouldnít have worked this out. Yes as David says they donít support side loading kepub but theyíve also never officially supported Dropbox in this way.
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But the Dropbox support is essentially still sideloading . You don't get sync, you just get plain wireless transfers.
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I don't know about the formats, but I don't think series info can be sent over unless you use Calibre to update the database on the device?
With that said, I'm not sure what Kobo would do when approached with this kind of complaint. The kepub.epub files are a product of conversion and not something that you're actually 'supposed to have', though the developers must be aware of the conversion plugin in Calibre. The 'cloud storage' for your kepub files is supposed to be the Kobo store.
Yeah Iím okay with series info and such not sending over. Itís bothersome but as noted even directly transferring to a Kobo requires the database to have scanned the book first. So I wasnít really thinking that this would work with calibre to Dropbox to kobo.

Less true on the second part they clearly now allow cloud storage on Dropbox. Yes the file is in this case a product of conversion but itís still a format that kobo itself can read. In my opinion they should allow it.

Iíd known there was some work around but I couldnít remember it at 1am and google wasnít being nice.

I may use it going forward but I stand by my initial impression that itís a feature that could be improved upon. Much like overdrive when it initially launched on the KA1.
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But the Dropbox support is essentially still sideloading . You don't get sync, you just get plain wireless transfers.
It's official sideloading, kinda like pulling in books (or whatever) from iCloud Drive on an iPad rather than using iTunes.
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Not so much surprising just disappointing that Kobo wouldnít have worked this out. Yes as David says they donít support side loading kepub but theyíve also never officially supported Dropbox in this way.
You didn't actually say what you put onto Dropbox. If you didn't use ".kepub.epub", then what did you use? Kobo doesn't use an extension at all for kepubs from the store. Using "kepub" as an extension in calibre is, as far as I remember, a calibre thing only. And came about only to allow us to add them to calibre because calibre couldn't treat ".kepub.epub" as different from ".epub".
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You didn't actually say what you put onto Dropbox. If you didn't use ".kepub.epub", then what did you use? Kobo doesn't use an extension at all for kepubs from the store. Using "kepub" as an extension in calibre is, as far as I remember, a calibre thing only. And came about only to allow us to add them to calibre because calibre couldn't treat ".kepub.epub" as different from ".epub".
It would have been whatever calibre sends them as with only the base settings. Though if I recall the kobo output and kobo extended touch canít save as kepub.epub itíd need to be done by the user. If Iím wrong Iíll happily eat a bit of crow. Iíd confirm what sent over but I removed them from Dropbox and Iím not near that computer, it was likely just.kepub given that it didnít work
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As @davidfor just said, nothing ever feeds you a .kepub, certainly not Kobo itself.

Calibre only uses it *internally* as a file extension if you happen to store KePubs in your library, a decision which I suspect was made purely for simplicity's sake.

As soon as you Send To Device, it's sent as a .kepub.epub. Which I'm pretty sure is also another Calibre convention: I haven't checked, but I suspect that even without a kepub mention in the filename, your device would figure out it's a KePub and not a straight ePub .

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Calibre Library:
'/home/niluje/Calibre/Douglas Adams/The Ultimate Hitchhiker'\''s Guide to the Galaxy (79)/The Ultimate Hitchhiker'\''s Guide to the Gal - Douglas Adams.kepub'

->

Device:
/mnt/onboard/Adams, Douglas/Ultimate Hitchhiker_s Guide to the Galaxy, The - Douglas Adams.kepub.epub
(Because, again, Kobo's own KePubs don't even *have* a file extension).

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A bunch of files whose name if just an UUID with no extension in /mnt/onboard/.kobo/kepub

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