Hugo, Campbell and Alfie Awards

[meeera]

I couldn't find another thread about last night's Hugos, Campbell, and Alfies yet - please merge if I post simultaneously with someone else. There are some really deserving winners here, in my opinion - I was particularly glad that NK Jemisin's The Fifth Season won, as I found it absolutely fantastic. I'm reading sequel The Obelisk Gate right now. Okorafor's Binti was great too.

My pick of the Alfies is Letters to Tiptree - terrific book.

And the winners are:

HUGO AWARDS

Best Novel: The Fifth Season by N.K. Jemisin (Orbit)

Best Novella : Binti by Nnedi Okorafor (Tor.com)

Best Novelette : “Folding Beijing” by Hao Jingfang, trans. Ken Liu (Uncanny Magazine, Jan-Feb 2015)

Best Short Story : “Cat Pictures Please” by Naomi Kritzer (Clarkesworld, January 2015)

[B]Best Related Work : No Award

Best Graphic Story : The Sandman: Overture written by Neil Gaiman, art by J.H. Williams III (Vertigo)

Best Dramatic Presentation, Long Form: The Martian screenplay by Drew Goddard, directed by Ridley Scott

Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form : Jessica Jones: “AKA Smile” written by Scott Reynolds, Melissa Rosenberg, and Jamie King, directed by Michael Rymer

Best Editor, Short Form: Ellen Datlow

Best Editor, Long Form : Sheila E. Gilbert

Best Professional Artist : Abigail Larson

Best Semiprozine: Uncanny Magazine edited by Lynne M. Thomas & Michael Damian Thomas, Michi Trota, and Erika Ensign & Steven Schapansky

Best Fanzine : File 770 edited by Mike Glyer

Best Fancast :No Award

Best Fan Writer : Mike Glyer

Best Fan Artist : Steve Stiles

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The John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer (2,406 final ballots, 1922 nominating ballots)

Andy Weir

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ALFIES : Presented by George RR Martin at his "Hugo Losers" party. Most of the Alfies are awards for the most-nominated work that Martin considers was pushed off the ballot by Puppies slate-voting*. A couple (integrity and excellence, this year) are purely Martin's choice. (Copied from twitter - if there's a better webpage around detailing the winners, please link.)


Best Fan Writer: Alexandra Erin
Best Fancast: Tea And Jeopardy
Best Graphic Story: John Picacio presents award to Bitch Planet
Integrity: Black Gate
Best Fanzine : Journey Planet
Best Professional Artist : Julie Dillon
Excellence : Locus Magazine
Best related work : Letters to Tiptree, edited by Alisa Krasnostein and Alexandra Pierce.
Best Short Story presented by Robert Silverberg to Hungry Daughters of Starving Mothers by Alyssa Wong


* Any further Puppy discussion is probably best directed to the Politics & Religion subforum.

[JSWolf]

Have the awards been gamed like before?

[meeera]

(I'm updating the post with links, where relevant, as I go.)

[meeera]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Have the awards been gamed like before?

Again, probably best directed to P&R. Short answer: somewhat, but less so. It would be great if we could focus on some of the awesome work that did win, here, IMO.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by meeera

Again, probably best directed to P&R. Short answer: somewhat, but less so. It would be great if we could focus on some of the awesome work that did win, here, IMO.

This is not a political issue. It is not a religious issue. So why would it best fit in P&R? The last time the Hugo awards were games, the discussions did not go to P&R.

That said, which entries were gamed so we can know that if any of them won, they don't count/matter?

The problem is that when the awards become gamed even a little bit, it makes all the results rather worthless and the winners aren't really winners.

[meeera]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

This is not a political issue. It is not a religious issue. So why would it best fit in P&R? The last time the Hugo awards were games, the discussions did not go to P&R.

That said, which entries were gamed so we can know that if any of them won, they don't count/matter?

The problem is that when the awards become gamed even a little bit, it makes all the results rather worthless and the winners aren't really winners.

The results are not "worthless". Where categories were very badly gamed, voters chose to give No Award. Plus, this is what the Alfies are for. I'm really not interested in discussing the Puppies issue publicly in detail. File 770 has everyinthg you want to know about it (and much more). I suggest following the Hugos tag there for backstory.

[JSWolf]

The problem is that any votes that were given to VD's choices takes away from real choices and spoils the awards. Sorry, but as long as VD continues to try to game the system, the system will be broken.

[Luffy]

Can anyone direct me to this El dorado like forum, the P&R forum?

[WT Sharpe]

Originally Posted by Luffy

Can anyone direct me to this El dorado like forum, the P&R forum?

All the info you need can be found in the first post of this thread.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

All the info you need can be found in the first post of this thread.

No Luffy, don't follow this link. You will fall into a rabbit hole.
Life will never be the same again.

[WT Sharpe]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The problem is that any votes that were given to VD's choices takes away from real choices and spoils the awards. Sorry, but as long as VD continues to try to game the system, the system will be broken.

Jon, I agree with you that the subject is not one for P&R, but since the OP has expressed her desire to not discuss the topic here, why not start your own thread on the subject?

[DiapDealer]

The OP has every right to want to focus on the deserving nominations/winners in this thread. If you wish to discuss the politics and the gaming of the Hugo's via the various "slates", then feel free to start your own thread to do so.

Threads naturally wander, but an OP has the right to ask for a particular focus. Let's try to oblige.

Or ..... What Tom said.

[fjtorres]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

This is not a political issue. It is not a religious issue. So why would it best fit in P&R? .

Probably because there are quite a few who believe the Hugos have been gamed since long before the puppies and are still being gamed despite them. The belief or disbelief in that position hinges on the person's political viewpoint so most discussions on the matter end up in P&W territory.

One might as well start it there, I suppose.

Personally, I would suggest ignoring the debate.
We no longer live in an SF world where Hugos are particularly important to the majority of readers or even authors. In fact, most traditional SF awards are now inherently suspect when it comes to their purported subject. The field is too big and too prolific to meaningfully annoint anything the best.

[DiapDealer]

I need to read Okorafor's Binti. A lot of people really seemed to love it. I've always been a fan of her shorter work, but her novels have been pretty hit or miss with me. I read Lagoon this year and found it ... OK.

[Phogg]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The problem is that any votes that were given to VD's choices takes away from real choices and spoils the awards. Sorry, but as long as VD continues to try to game the system, the system will be broken.

VD was not anywhere close to being the first to game the system.
He just did it so flagrantly and "in your face" that it made the flaws impossible to defend or ignore.

I suspect that the opportunity to mock those who suddenly became offended with his choices was part of his motivation for embarking on the endeavor to begin with. He seems to thrive on confrontation.