Updates from BB with Airplane Mode On?

[pghaworth]

New PW2 2014, shipped with 5.4.3.2 so I put on AM and was reading. Suddenly it says it's restarting, then apply update, then restarting. This is new... at least for me. I didn't know that Amazon could do things with wifi off.

Very creepy!

[eschwartz]

I assume the update was already downloaded...

Unless you think Amazon ships creepy 3G chips in ALL their Kindles... right next to the secret battery which it runs off of so you don't notice the horrible battery life.

[pghaworth]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

I assume the update was already downloaded...

Unless you think Amazon ships creepy 3G chips in ALL their Kindles... right next to the secret battery which it runs off of so you don't notice the horrible battery life.

They must have downloaded it quick, with no notice to me, like we're downloading now, or do you want this update, etc. It was at 5.4.3.2 and they jacked me up to 5.4.5.1 without even a hello, and thank you.

[eschwartz]

Amazon has never asked you to accept an OTA update. Whether WiFi is on or off surely did not make a difference there...

[pghaworth]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

Amazon has never asked you to accept an OTA update. Whether WiFi is on or off surely did not make a difference there...

I know. I'm spoiled by Samsung and other manufacturers that don't just jack your device without warning. I was going to set this one aside as a last resort (for jailbreak). It'll go back now in favor of another.

It just struck me as odd that the update started while wifi was off, had been for quite a while, and I had just received it, set it up and turned it off. Never had one update that quickly or while wifi was off and didn't like it. Control baby!

[jbcohen]

That is actually quite common in the non ebook areas that is called a push update. What amazon does is anytime you activate a new kindle it automatically tells the amazon server what version of firmware you have. When the come out with a new version of the firmware a part of the code says if any customer has this model of kindle and has an older version of firmware than this then automatically push this firmware to them. They do that so that you do not have to bother going through the steps to upgrade your firmware yourself. Its easier on you the customer and its good customer relations. Other companies do the same thing, Sun does the same thing with their Java software and Adobe does the same thing with their Acrobat reader software. Its done for your convenience. If it really concerns you, the firewall on your home network can be told not to allow pushes and it will prevent all pushes from Amazon, Sun or Adobe. I however allow the pushes, what I am concerned about who is sending information from my PC out to the internet. The only software that should be allowed to do that is: your web browser (without that you can not web surf) and your security software (without that the software can't download and install updates).

[pghaworth]

Originally Posted by jbcohen

That is actually quite common in the non ebook areas that is called a push update. What amazon does is anytime you activate a new kindle it automatically tells the amazon server what version of firmware you have. When the come out with a new version of the firmware a part of the code says if any customer has this model of kindle and has an older version of firmware than this then automatically push this firmware to them. They do that so that you do not have to bother going through the steps to upgrade your firmware yourself. Its easier on you the customer and its good customer relations. Other companies do the same thing, Sun does the same thing with their Java software and Adobe does the same thing with their Acrobat reader software. Its done for your convenience. If it really concerns you, the firewall on your home network can be told not to allow pushes and it will prevent all pushes from Amazon, Sun or Adobe. I however allow the pushes, what I am concerned about who is sending information from my PC out to the internet. The only software that should be allowed to do that is: your web browser (without that you can not web surf) and your security software (without that the software can't download and install updates).

Thanks. I'll have to poke around. I'm with Century Link and have no idea how to configure that. I also use a router, same problem. Love the idea, though. Thanks to the update I can't jailbreak it now so that I can enjoy the finer things in life, i.e. better fonts, collections mgr., etc.

Sun and Adobe, yeah, I want their push updates, along with my browser and and my security software (worst I've ever used - dumping it soon).

[eschwartz]

Downgrade your firmware, even when Amazon blocks downgrades (recent firmware does this ) -- see here: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...38#post2881338

Hope this helps.

[pghaworth]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

Downgrade your firmware, even when Amazon blocks downgrades (recent firmware does this ) -- see here: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...38#post2881338

Hope this helps.

Thanks! ATM I still screwed. I don't know how to use NiLuJe's "snapshots" and must wait for his official later releases.

I did the downgrade with my PW1 and it worked really well. I was hoping not to have to wait on my PW2 before Amazon auto-upgraded me.

[eschwartz]

All you need is a decent unzip program that handles .tar.gz -- I suggest 7-Zip if you are on Windows.

As the man himself says :

Originally Posted by NiLuJe

On a sidenote, most of these are distributed as xz compressed tarballs (because it's much, much more efficient) so you'll need GNU tar/bsdtar + xz-utils on Linux/BSD/OS X, and something that can handle those files on Windows (f.g 7-zip or WinRAR 5).

The snapshot contains extra stuff, but it also contains the same "kindle-5.4-jailbreak.zip" as in the main thread.

[pghaworth]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

All you need is a decent unzip program that handles .tar.gz -- I suggest 7-Zip if you are on Windows.

As the man himself says :


The snapshot contains extra stuff, but it also contains the same "kindle-5.4-jailbreak.zip" as in the main thread.

I tried. I have 7-zip and it said it wasn't recognized or didn't contain a valid file. Something like that. I'm pretty persistent, but just couldn't make it work. I'll try again later today. Thanks again!

[pghaworth]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

All you need is a decent unzip program that handles .tar.gz -- I suggest 7-Zip if you are on Windows.

As the man himself says :


The snapshot contains extra stuff, but it also contains the same "kindle-5.4-jailbreak.zip" as in the main thread.

Quick questions, please... Which firmware should I target for the downgrade? I went to this link, but wasn't sure which one would be best to use.

http://ixtab.tk/kindle-touch-updates.php

I had a backed up update history to follow on my PW1, but I was at 5.4.3.2 and don't see that one in the lineup for PW2. Is there a better place to get the downgrade? All help gratefully accepted.

[pghaworth]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

All you need is a decent unzip program that handles .tar.gz -- I suggest 7-Zip if you are on Windows.

As the man himself says :


The snapshot contains extra stuff, but it also contains the same "kindle-5.4-jailbreak.zip" as in the main thread.

I tried the 7-zip link you gave me and it worked. Nice.

[eschwartz]

Awesome! I guess you got something weird from somewhere else without realizing it, before?

Anyway, I answered your other question where I saw it first, in the other thread.

[pghaworth]

Originally Posted by eschwartz

Awesome! I guess you got something weird from somewhere else without realizing it, before?

Anyway, I answered your other question where I saw it first, in the other thread.

Great! Thanks! I used the other version of 7-zip and never had an issue, but for some reason it choked on the tar.xz file. Very interesting. Programs of all kinds never fail to amuse me.