Any plans for ONIX metadata compatibility?

TwentyOrLess · 04-26-2013, 07:00 PM

Is there anything on the radar for having Sigil write ONIX metadata files? There doesn't appear to be anything available in the open source community, and it seems like Sigil would be a good home for it.

user_none · 04-26-2013, 09:10 PM

If it's not part of the epub spec it won't be supported.

st_albert · 04-26-2013, 11:38 PM

Granted, it has little to do with the epub spec per se. But boy-o-boy would it be useful. If I could get my calcified ancient brain to wrap around xml and ONIX specs at the same time, I am sure I could write a PERL script to convert the <metadata> section of content.opf to an ONIX file. (This would assume, of course that all the pertinent data were contained in the <metadata> section.) I've thought about it many a time, but my afore-mentioned ancient brain turns to peanut butter whenever I try.

Edited to add: Here's why it would be useful, for those who are not submitting books to various distributors such as Sony, B&N, etc. just so you know: One doesn't just upload the epub file; one also has to provide all the metadata for the book in a separate file which, typically, is in a proprietary excel spreadsheet format, OR as an ONIX file. So if one could create an ONIX file from the epub's metadata, one would save a lot of double-keyboarding. Or multi-keyboarding, given that the proprietary excel spreadsheets, of course, differ from each other though containing the same information.

FWIW, Sony reportedly has a MS-Office excel spreadsheet macro to convert their spreadsheet format ( as used to submit books to Sony, and provides the same information as an ONIX file would do) to an ONIX file. We haven't fully tested it yet, but it looks promising. If it works reliably, we will be shifting towards storing all our metadata in sony .xls format for later conversion to ONIX, for submission to other distributors that accept ONIX data in lieu of proprietary spreadsheet formats. But wouldn't it be great if one could extract the data from the epub itself! Calibre can already extract it to text. Conversion to ONIX should be do-able, yes?

So if any of you young'uns feel the urge to write and share such a script, i.e. <metadata> --> ONIX, (PERL is fine by me, but python might be a more widely acceptable choice) please do so. Hopefully in the (not too distant) future, Sigil will have plugin capability. That would make it easy to add such a capability, for those who want it. (hint, hint)

Albert

Jellby · 04-27-2013, 02:33 AM

That's a feature better suited for calibre than Sigil. Have you tried asking there?

TwentyOrLess · 04-29-2013, 07:22 PM

ONIX is not internal to the epub standard, but it certainly is recognized by it. epub3 includes several hooks to ONIX (c.f. http://www.idpf.org/epub/30/spec/epu...-metadata-elem).

Soo.... still sounds like a "no" but a boy can dream.

04-26-2013, 07:00 PM	#1
TwentyOrLess Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2013 Device: none	Any plans for ONIX metadata compatibility? Is there anything on the radar for having Sigil write ONIX metadata files? There doesn't appear to be anything available in the open source community, and it seems like Sigil would be a good home for it.

04-26-2013, 11:38 PM	#3
st_albert Guru Posts: 697 Karma: 150000 Join Date: Feb 2010 Device: none	Granted, it has little to do with the epub spec per se. But boy-o-boy would it be useful. If I could get my calcified ancient brain to wrap around xml and ONIX specs at the same time, I am sure I could write a PERL script to convert the <metadata> section of content.opf to an ONIX file. (This would assume, of course that all the pertinent data were contained in the <metadata> section.) I've thought about it many a time, but my afore-mentioned ancient brain turns to peanut butter whenever I try. Edited to add: Here's why it would be useful, for those who are not submitting books to various distributors such as Sony, B&N, etc. just so you know: One doesn't just upload the epub file; one also has to provide all the metadata for the book in a separate file which, typically, is in a proprietary excel spreadsheet format, OR as an ONIX file. So if one could create an ONIX file from the epub's metadata, one would save a lot of double-keyboarding. Or multi-keyboarding, given that the proprietary excel spreadsheets, of course, differ from each other though containing the same information. FWIW, Sony reportedly has a MS-Office excel spreadsheet macro to convert their spreadsheet format ( as used to submit books to Sony, and provides the same information as an ONIX file would do) to an ONIX file. We haven't fully tested it yet, but it looks promising. If it works reliably, we will be shifting towards storing all our metadata in sony .xls format for later conversion to ONIX, for submission to other distributors that accept ONIX data in lieu of proprietary spreadsheet formats. But wouldn't it be great if one could extract the data from the epub itself! Calibre can already extract it to text. Conversion to ONIX should be do-able, yes? So if any of you young'uns feel the urge to write and share such a script, i.e. <metadata> --> ONIX, (PERL is fine by me, but python might be a more widely acceptable choice) please do so. Hopefully in the (not too distant) future, Sigil will have plugin capability. That would make it easy to add such a capability, for those who want it. (hint, hint) Albert Last edited by st_albert; 04-26-2013 at 11:59 PM.

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04-26-2013, 09:10 PM	#2
user_none Sigil & calibre developer Posts: 2,487 Karma: 1063785 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida, USA Device: Nook STR	If it's not part of the epub spec it won't be supported.

04-27-2013, 02:33 AM	#4
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,543 Karma: 19001583 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	That's a feature better suited for calibre than Sigil. Have you tried asking there?

04-29-2013, 07:22 PM	#5
TwentyOrLess Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2013 Device: none	ONIX is not internal to the epub standard, but it certainly is recognized by it. epub3 includes several hooks to ONIX (c.f. http://www.idpf.org/epub/30/spec/epu...-metadata-elem). Soo.... still sounds like a "no" but a boy can dream.

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