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Google Dealt Blow in Book Scanning Lawsuit
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According to the Google Books' blog: "Copyright law is supposed to ensure that authors and publishers have an incentive to create new work, not stop people from finding out that the work exists. By helping people find books, we believe we can increase the incentive to publish them. After all, if a book isn't discovered, it won't be bought." Last edited by Ninjalawyer; 06-01-2012 at 10:09 AM. |
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One of the commenters to the article had an interesting anecdote:
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If it would benefit society (as I tend to agree that it would), then the correct response is to do what France has done, and change the law to allow it, not to allow one commercial entity to just ignore the law. |
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Stealing intellectual property is standard procedure at Google. They display photos and sections of text from other websites without first obtaining permission from the copyright holders. Sadly, such actions push other businesses to violate copyright just to try to keep afloat.
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Analysis by law professor HERE:
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It's about Google violating millions of copyrights, and forcing authors to opt out of their system. It would be like Random House grabbing books off a library shelf that were written in 1930, not published by RH, putting out electronic versions, without asking authors for permission, without checking anyone's copyrights, and dictating royalty rates. I can only imagine the digital screeches that would result from such actions. (Why Google gets a pass is beyond me.) Not to mention that Google's book efforts are, to put it mildly, not fantastic and not well supported. As far as I know there is no proofreading, which means lots of OCR errors. The website layout is terrible on small screens. PW believes their market share is hovering around 4%. Google has also already pulled its affiliate services, which let small or indie stores resell Google ebooks on their own sites. |
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Actually, it's not clear that it's illegal. Google has a fairly compelling fair use defense.
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1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; 2. the nature of the copyrighted work; 3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and 4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. Here: 1. The use is of a commercial nature. Google want to sell the scanned books, and also to use them to drive more page views, and hence more advertising. 2. The works are 'normal' works that have previously, and may still be, commercially available. 3. Google is scanning the entirety of each work. 4. Google making the work available must significantly reduce the value of the ebook rights of the work. Doesn't seem like there is a huge amount of wiggle room there. |
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Too bad. I can see both sides of this.
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To be clear, Google is not just making books available for free - the controversy is Google scanning the books at all to make them searchable and providing "snippets" or previews of the books. From Wikipedia: Quote:
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As far as reducing the value of ebooks, that is not the case. Google is not making books available for free (unless they are in the public domain or Google has permission). What they are doing is providing search capabilities for books, and an ability to buy the book if the book is purchasable. So this actually enhances the value of ebooks because it makes them easier to find. None of the factors you list is determinative, and must all be considered. That's why this isn't an easy issue. I'm not going to say Google has a slam-dunk with a fair use argument, because they don't. But it's also not a slam-dunk that Google is violating copyright either. There's fundamental legal questions that haven't been answered yet, so no one can say definitively. Quote:
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It may very well enhance the value of the books. If people search for them and find a snippet, they may want to seek out and buy the book. Without it, readers might have never heard of the book.
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Although I'm pretty certain their end goal is to sell copies of books that are otherwise not available. |
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