Cyberlocker User's Accounts Being Closed

Fbone · 01-23-2012, 04:09 PM

If you have irreplaceable files and photos stored in a cyberlocker, please download them or ensure you have everything backed up. Numerous reports of accounts being closed and massive file deletions.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/24857...community.html

Phogg · 01-23-2012, 05:26 PM

The "Cloud" is being as safe a repository as it has been from its inception.
Suddenly a new generation of computer users learn the hardway what their predecessors had to learn the hard way.

taustin · 01-23-2012, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phogg

The "Cloud" is being as safe a repository as it has been from its inception.
Suddenly a new generation of computer users learn the hardway what their predecessors had to learn the hard way.

Indeed. The flaws of storing anything that matters, or anything that doesn't, in "the cloud" goes all the way back to thin clients. If it's not on your hardware, it's not yours.

Apache · 01-23-2012, 08:30 PM

At least one professional photographer lost years of irreplaceable photos because he stored them online. The firm shut down with out any warning and he did not have any other backup.
Apache

miguel1626 · 01-23-2012, 08:39 PM

The cloud can work wonderfully as backup storage, and a convenient way to access your files from anywhere. In no way cloud storage can excuse you from making your own local backups (and sensitive data should be kept away from it).

SeaKing · 01-23-2012, 09:47 PM

Let's face it. In general, people like to be happy, comfortable,
unworried. Sometimes this leads to laziness, carelessness and
to emotional states that we will call "distracted" in order to be nice.

There are virtues in being paranoid, in being suspicious, in anxiety.
You don't lose a lot of stuff.

The real trick is striking a balance, where you can be comfortable,
and have security as well.

I find that redundancy is the key.
Not just 1 external drive, but two or more.
Not just a house firebox safe, but a safety deposit box also.
Not some questionable cheap or even "free" online storage
facility, but one that is run by a business, and backs up
its depots with parallel depots.

elcreative · 01-23-2012, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaKing

Let's face it. In general, people like to be happy, comfortable,
unworried. Sometimes this leads to laziness, carelessness and
to emotional states that we will call "distracted" in order to be nice.

There are virtues in being paranoid, in being suspicious, in anxiety.
You don't lose a lot of stuff.

The real trick is striking a balance, where you can be comfortable,
and have security as well.

I find that redundancy is the key.
Not just 1 external drive, but two or more.
Not just a house firebox safe, but a safety deposit box also.
Not some questionable cheap or even "free" online storage
facility, but one that is run by a business, and backs up
its depots with parallel depots.

For once I can agree with everything you say... just because you're paranoid doesn't mean "they" (and/or the world) aren't out to get you...

And multiple backups, of anything you are attached to, is never a mistake...

Apache · 01-24-2012, 10:39 AM

I have three external backup drives that I rotate through.
Even a busness online backup company can and have failed.
Apache

din155 · 01-24-2012, 11:29 AM

Which reminds me to backup my Calibre library for this month.

din

taustin · 01-24-2012, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apache

At least one professional photographer lost years of irreplaceable photos because he stored them online. The firm shut down with out any warning and he did not have any other backup.
Apache

Then he's an idiot. I have no sympathy whatsoever for anyone who depends on something to feed their family, and does not keep multiple, independent backups. There is no excuse. (Yes, I am an IT professional. Why do you ask?)

RainingLemur · 01-24-2012, 11:52 AM

I'm glad I don't have much of anything of importance up on a cloud anywhere. And, the stuff I do have in my dropbox thingie is backed up on a portable HDD just in case.

elemenoP · 01-24-2012, 12:03 PM

So, I have a macbook and a time capsule for backup. The time capsule is in the same room as the macbook. Should I be using cloud storage as a secondary backup? And what service is cost effective, safe, and secure? I am using about 300gb on my hard drive.

eP

Prestidigitweeze · 01-24-2012, 12:25 PM

elemenoP:

For your setup, I'd recommend an additional NAS box, specifically one by Synology, in which you add paired drives specifically approved for it (inexpensive WD models included).

You'll not only avoid the problems that come with a wired connection (logic board eccentricities and bad resets -- I once saw a PRAM reset on a custom motherboard in a Mac tower take out multiple drives). You'll also enjoy the perks of a really active developers community. Their Android app for my Galaxy S allows me to stream music and films from home. I can also monitor my apartment when I'm away. You can schedule the massive backups to happen when you're asleep or at work and they're completely painless.

I mention Synology NAS boxes because they have excellent synergy with Macs (though they work well with my PC/Linux laptop, too).

elemenoP · 01-24-2012, 12:32 PM

Thanks, Presti. For at-home backup, I'm really happy with the Time Capsule. The only reason I would add a cloud backup is in case (knock wood) my apartment burned down, and took out BOTH the macbook and the time capsule, since they are physically in the same place. So I don't think adding another hard drive would solve that problem. Maybe I only need a partial cloud backup, of my photos and my work documents (I am a freelancer, so my macbook is my work computer).

eP

Prestidigitweeze · 01-24-2012, 12:59 PM

You're smart to be thinking of worst-case scenarios. Additionally, Time Machine only gives you one backup. The rule is to have three copies of all important data, which means an additional drive of like capacity or greater, which means either a second hard drive you connect directly on occasion, a NAS box or a network or cloud backup.

If I hadn't chosen a different solution, I'd opt for a backup to my own or a really trustworthy friend's server as opposed to a third-party cloud. There's also the question of security and cloud-based backups. I don't even like the idea of my smartphone backing up to a cloud. Most people I know back up to their SSDs and clone those for security reasons.

01-23-2012, 04:09 PM	#1
Fbone Is that a sandwich? Posts: 8,286 Karma: 101696762 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Nook Glowlight Plus	Cyberlocker User's Accounts Being Closed If you have irreplaceable files and photos stored in a cyberlocker, please download them or ensure you have everything backed up. Numerous reports of accounts being closed and massive file deletions. http://www.pcworld.com/article/24857...community.html

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Apache Readaholic Posts: 5,269 Karma: 90000484 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: South Georgia Device: Surface Pro 6 / Galaxy Tab A 8"	At least one professional photographer lost years of irreplaceable photos because he stored them online. The firm shut down with out any warning and he did not have any other backup. Apache

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miguel1626 Great Old One Posts: 189 Karma: 998538 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: L1 Orbit Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro, iPhone 8 Plus	The cloud can work wonderfully as backup storage, and a convenient way to access your files from anywhere. In no way cloud storage can excuse you from making your own local backups (and sensitive data should be kept away from it).

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SeaKing Frequent Flier Posts: 1,282 Karma: 2058993297 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: KB kindle aboard, Galx Tab 7.0 Plus, trying out Droid 1 as mini-tab	Let's face it. In general, people like to be happy, comfortable, unworried. Sometimes this leads to laziness, carelessness and to emotional states that we will call "distracted" in order to be nice. There are virtues in being paranoid, in being suspicious, in anxiety. You don't lose a lot of stuff. The real trick is striking a balance, where you can be comfortable, and have security as well. I find that redundancy is the key. Not just 1 external drive, but two or more. Not just a house firebox safe, but a safety deposit box also. Not some questionable cheap or even "free" online storage facility, but one that is run by a business, and backs up its depots with parallel depots.

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Apache Readaholic Posts: 5,269 Karma: 90000484 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: South Georgia Device: Surface Pro 6 / Galaxy Tab A 8"	I have three external backup drives that I rotate through. Even a busness online backup company can and have failed. Apache

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elemenoP Wizard Posts: 1,717 Karma: 3790058 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NYC Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Sony 650	So, I have a macbook and a time capsule for backup. The time capsule is in the same room as the macbook. Should I be using cloud storage as a secondary backup? And what service is cost effective, safe, and secure? I am using about 300gb on my hard drive. eP

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Prestidigitweeze Fledgling Demagogue Posts: 2,384 Karma: 31132263 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: White Plains Device: Clara HD; Oasis 2; Aura HD; iPad Air; PRS-350; Galaxy S7.	elemenoP: For your setup, I'd recommend an additional NAS box, specifically one by Synology, in which you add paired drives specifically approved for it (inexpensive WD models included). You'll not only avoid the problems that come with a wired connection (logic board eccentricities and bad resets -- I once saw a PRAM reset on a custom motherboard in a Mac tower take out multiple drives). You'll also enjoy the perks of a really active developers community. Their Android app for my Galaxy S allows me to stream music and films from home. I can also monitor my apartment when I'm away. You can schedule the massive backups to happen when you're asleep or at work and they're completely painless. I mention Synology NAS boxes because they have excellent synergy with Macs (though they work well with my PC/Linux laptop, too).

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elemenoP Wizard Posts: 1,717 Karma: 3790058 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NYC Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Sony 650	Thanks, Presti. For at-home backup, I'm really happy with the Time Capsule. The only reason I would add a cloud backup is in case (knock wood) my apartment burned down, and took out BOTH the macbook and the time capsule, since they are physically in the same place. So I don't think adding another hard drive would solve that problem. Maybe I only need a partial cloud backup, of my photos and my work documents (I am a freelancer, so my macbook is my work computer). eP

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01-24-2012, 12:59 PM	#15
Prestidigitweeze Fledgling Demagogue Posts: 2,384 Karma: 31132263 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: White Plains Device: Clara HD; Oasis 2; Aura HD; iPad Air; PRS-350; Galaxy S7.	You're smart to be thinking of worst-case scenarios. Additionally, Time Machine only gives you one backup. The rule is to have three copies of all important data, which means an additional drive of like capacity or greater, which means either a second hard drive you connect directly on occasion, a NAS box or a network or cloud backup. If I hadn't chosen a different solution, I'd opt for a backup to my own or a really trustworthy friend's server as opposed to a third-party cloud. There's also the question of security and cloud-based backups. I don't even like the idea of my smartphone backing up to a cloud. Most people I know back up to their SSDs and clone those for security reasons.