Godwin, Tom: Space Prison (org. title: The Survivors) v1. 15 Apr 07

tsgreer · 04-15-2007, 06:39 PM

Here is a SF public domain book called Space Prison and it's by Tom Godwin. The original title was The Survivors, which suits the story better.

Basically the evil Gerns wreak havoc on everyone and cast away a small colony of humans on a very inhospitable planet to fend for themselves. The quest for revenge helps the humans make the most of their situation.

One of the earlier e-books that I read on the Sony Reader. It's really a great, fun read. I went old-school with the cover painting--bow and arrow, rocket ship and mean beasts. What's not to love about this book?

Also, I think it's my best book cover painting so far. The watercolor original is now framed and hanging up on my office wall. Enjoy!

Edit by HarryT: 17th Apr 07

Sorry - I've temporarily removed the attached book until we resolve its copyright status. We'll put it back again if it proves to be OK. Apologies for the inconvenience.

Edit by HarryT: 18th Apr 07

Sounds like the book's OK, so I've put it back!

Dr. Drib · 04-15-2007, 07:03 PM

And you have the indents going!

I love your artwork. It's such a pleasure to look at your work. I'm in awe by your vision and talent. Thank you.

don

tsgreer · 04-15-2007, 07:19 PM

Thanks Don. I fixed the indents on the Frankenstein file just now as well. Sorry for the delay, but it took me forever to get it right. Actually, the painting of the covers sometimes goes faster than formatting the text to display correctly!!

I got it all figured out now. I think.

slayda · 04-17-2007, 08:17 AM

tsgreer,
I believe that Space Prison (Published in 1960, The Survivors in 1958) may still be in copyright. I know it was on Gutenburg Project for a while but has apparently been removed. BTW it is one of my favorites.

Robert Marquard · 04-17-2007, 08:55 AM

I have sent a message to Greg Weeks. He definitely knows all about the copyright status of that book.

Best contact him directly if the books are not available from Project Gutenberg.
Even better only use PG books and get all other free books to PG first. Greg handles the copyright clearance process so you do not steal his time.

HarryT · 04-17-2007, 09:12 AM

I've temporarily removed the book attachment until we get this resolved. We'll put it back if it proves to be OK. Apologies to tsgreer and everyone else for the inconvenience.

Robert - could you let either myself or Alex know if you hear anything, please, and we'll either put the book back, or delete this thread, as appropriate.

Thanks!

gweeks · 04-17-2007, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slayda

tsgreer,
I believe that Space Prison (Published in 1960, The Survivors in 1958) may still be in copyright. I know it was on Gutenburg Project for a while but has apparently been removed. BTW it is one of my favorites.

This hasn't ever been on Project Gutenberg. Some of the other book sites have picked it up from DP, but it hasn't finished at DP yet. Baen has the complete text available on their site if you just want to read it.

Greg Weeks

Robert Marquard · 04-17-2007, 09:55 AM

So the book itself is copyright cleared (or Greg would not have touched it on DP).
So only the question remains if the source of the posted text was copyrighted.

The best solution would be to wait for the book to be posted to PG and then redo it from the HTML. Alternatively pick up the unfinished text from DP.

HarryT · 04-17-2007, 10:05 AM

If tsgreer can let me know if he got it from DP (where presumably it will have been copyright cleared), I'll put the attachment back. Sorry to act "pre-emptively" on this, but we need to be careful about these things!

tsgreer · 04-17-2007, 10:52 AM

Hi all, actually I got it from manybooks.net and I thought mentioned something about their research showing that the copyright had not been renewed. Should we always wait for PG? I've noticed that they don't have everything that is copyright-free simply because there is such a vast amount.

I pretty much go back and forth between PG and Manybooks. Sorry for the confusion!! I was just sooo excited when I saw Space Prison was available (or so I thought).

Well darn, that would be TWO copyright mistakes I have made! Grrrr... Sorry. I promise no more issues...

Bob Russell · 04-17-2007, 11:11 AM

Not to worry Travis. There is a learning curve for all of us here, and it has been very educational for me to see the discussion unfold. We do want to get it right, and it's good for Harry to take action, but I think this sort of thing is going to be fairly common for us, just as these are probably very common discussions at PG. Par for the course, so to speak. It's not the first, nor will it be the last, and I know we all appreciate both those who are formatting books for us, and those who are helping us understand how to figure out the copyright issues.

Harry -- As long as Travis doesn't mind, maybe it's a good idea to keep this thread in place however it turns out because it's a good reference point, and provides some nice history on the issue for those who discover it later.

NatCh · 04-17-2007, 11:19 AM

Don't sweat it too much, Travis, this copyright stuff can be a reall Gordian Knot sometimes -- besides, you can only make errors if you're actually doing something, so all this really does is indicate that you're not just sitting on your duff.

HarryT · 04-17-2007, 11:54 AM

If it's on "manybooks", Travis, that's good enough for me! I've left the attachment at work, but either I can put it back tomorrow morning, or you can re-upload it yourself, whichever you prefer. Apologies again for the hassle - we all have to be cautious about these things until we figure out what's allowable and what's not. I'm not picking on you, honest

.

tsgreer · 04-17-2007, 01:26 PM

Hey Harry, no worries, thanks for staying on top of it. Yeah, I got it from Manybooks and they seem to be really good about their research. I'm not familiar with "DP," can you clarify for me? I know PG is Project Gutenberg, but I can't figure out the DP.

Hopefully we get to put it back up because it really is a great book. Thanks for everyone paying such close attention!

igorsk · 04-17-2007, 01:32 PM

DP=Distributed Proofreaders

04-15-2007, 06:39 PM	#1
tsgreer Lovin' the e-book life... Posts: 633 Karma: 2509 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado Device: Ebookwise 1150, Sony PRS-505, Amazon Kindle, BeBook (with OpenInkpot)	Godwin, Tom: Space Prison (org. title: The Survivors) v1. 15 Apr 07 Here is a SF public domain book called Space Prison and it's by Tom Godwin. The original title was The Survivors, which suits the story better. Basically the evil Gerns wreak havoc on everyone and cast away a small colony of humans on a very inhospitable planet to fend for themselves. The quest for revenge helps the humans make the most of their situation. One of the earlier e-books that I read on the Sony Reader. It's really a great, fun read. I went old-school with the cover painting--bow and arrow, rocket ship and mean beasts. What's not to love about this book? Also, I think it's my best book cover painting so far. The watercolor original is now framed and hanging up on my office wall. Enjoy! Edit by HarryT: 17th Apr 07 Sorry - I've temporarily removed the attached book until we resolve its copyright status. We'll put it back again if it proves to be OK. Apologies for the inconvenience. Edit by HarryT: 18th Apr 07 Sounds like the book's OK, so I've put it back! Last edited by Patricia; 04-06-2008 at 08:09 PM. Reason: moved to US server.

04-15-2007, 07:03 PM	#2
Dr. Drib Grand Sorcerer Posts: 45,328 Karma: 59447733 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Peru Device: KINDLE: Oasis 3, Scribe (1st), Matcha; KOBO: Libra 2, Libra Colour	GORGEOUS! And you have the indents going! I love your artwork. It's such a pleasure to look at your work. I'm in awe by your vision and talent. Thank you. don

04-17-2007, 08:55 AM	#5
Robert Marquard Delphi-Guy Posts: 285 Karma: 1151 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany Device: iLiad, Palm T3	I have sent a message to Greg Weeks. He definitely knows all about the copyright status of that book. Best contact him directly if the books are not available from Project Gutenberg. Even better only use PG books and get all other free books to PG first. Greg handles the copyright clearance process so you do not steal his time. Last edited by Robert Marquard; 04-17-2007 at 08:58 AM.

04-17-2007, 09:12 AM	#6
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I've temporarily removed the book attachment until we get this resolved. We'll put it back if it proves to be OK. Apologies to tsgreer and everyone else for the inconvenience. Robert - could you let either myself or Alex know if you hear anything, please, and we'll either put the book back, or delete this thread, as appropriate. Thanks! Last edited by HarryT; 04-17-2007 at 09:16 AM.

04-17-2007, 01:26 PM	#14
tsgreer Lovin' the e-book life... Posts: 633 Karma: 2509 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado Device: Ebookwise 1150, Sony PRS-505, Amazon Kindle, BeBook (with OpenInkpot)	Hey Harry, no worries, thanks for staying on top of it. Yeah, I got it from Manybooks and they seem to be really good about their research. I'm not familiar with "DP," can you clarify for me? I know PG is Project Gutenberg, but I can't figure out the DP. Hopefully we get to put it back up because it really is a great book. Thanks for everyone paying such close attention! Last edited by tsgreer; 04-17-2007 at 02:37 PM.

04-15-2007, 07:19 PM	#3
tsgreer Lovin' the e-book life... Posts: 633 Karma: 2509 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado Device: Ebookwise 1150, Sony PRS-505, Amazon Kindle, BeBook (with OpenInkpot)	Thanks Don. I fixed the indents on the Frankenstein file just now as well. Sorry for the delay, but it took me forever to get it right. Actually, the painting of the covers sometimes goes faster than formatting the text to display correctly!! I got it all figured out now. I think.

04-17-2007, 08:17 AM	#4
slayda Retired & reading more! Posts: 2,764 Karma: 1884247 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Alabama, USA Device: Kindle 1, iPad Air 2, iPhone 6S+, Kobo Aura One	tsgreer, I believe that Space Prison (Published in 1960, The Survivors in 1958) may still be in copyright. I know it was on Gutenburg Project for a while but has apparently been removed. BTW it is one of my favorites.

04-17-2007, 09:55 AM	#8
Robert Marquard Delphi-Guy Posts: 285 Karma: 1151 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Berlin, Germany Device: iLiad, Palm T3	So the book itself is copyright cleared (or Greg would not have touched it on DP). So only the question remains if the source of the posted text was copyrighted. The best solution would be to wait for the book to be posted to PG and then redo it from the HTML. Alternatively pick up the unfinished text from DP.

04-17-2007, 10:05 AM	#9
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	If tsgreer can let me know if he got it from DP (where presumably it will have been copyright cleared), I'll put the attachment back. Sorry to act "pre-emptively" on this, but we need to be careful about these things!

04-17-2007, 10:52 AM	#10
tsgreer Lovin' the e-book life... Posts: 633 Karma: 2509 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Colorado Device: Ebookwise 1150, Sony PRS-505, Amazon Kindle, BeBook (with OpenInkpot)	Hi all, actually I got it from manybooks.net and I thought mentioned something about their research showing that the copyright had not been renewed. Should we always wait for PG? I've noticed that they don't have everything that is copyright-free simply because there is such a vast amount. I pretty much go back and forth between PG and Manybooks. Sorry for the confusion!! I was just sooo excited when I saw Space Prison was available (or so I thought). Well darn, that would be TWO copyright mistakes I have made! Grrrr... Sorry. I promise no more issues...

04-17-2007, 11:11 AM	#11
Bob Russell Recovering Gadget Addict Posts: 5,381 Karma: 676161 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Device: iPad	Not to worry Travis. There is a learning curve for all of us here, and it has been very educational for me to see the discussion unfold. We do want to get it right, and it's good for Harry to take action, but I think this sort of thing is going to be fairly common for us, just as these are probably very common discussions at PG. Par for the course, so to speak. It's not the first, nor will it be the last, and I know we all appreciate both those who are formatting books for us, and those who are helping us understand how to figure out the copyright issues. Harry -- As long as Travis doesn't mind, maybe it's a good idea to keep this thread in place however it turns out because it's a good reference point, and provides some nice history on the issue for those who discover it later.

04-17-2007, 11:19 AM	#12
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Don't sweat it too much, Travis, this copyright stuff can be a reall Gordian Knot sometimes -- besides, you can only make errors if you're actually doing something, so all this really does is indicate that you're not just sitting on your duff.

04-17-2007, 11:54 AM	#13
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	If it's on "manybooks", Travis, that's good enough for me! I've left the attachment at work, but either I can put it back tomorrow morning, or you can re-upload it yourself, whichever you prefer. Apologies again for the hassle - we all have to be cautious about these things until we figure out what's allowable and what's not. I'm not picking on you, honest .

04-17-2007, 01:32 PM	#15
igorsk Wizard Posts: 3,442 Karma: 300001 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Belgium Device: PRS-500/505/700, Kindle, Cybook Gen3, Words Gear	DP=Distributed Proofreaders

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