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But that Corpus of Historical American English to which you linked, miguel1626, is fascinating, and certainly brings up a wealth of instances where the word 'couple' was not followed by the preposition 'of'. |
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12-12-2011, 02:09 PM | #23 | |
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Language changes as it's being used, that's just the way things are. Using it's instead of "it is" in any form writing used to be unacceptable, today it's practically the norm. At least where I live, and in informal contexts like a forum post. |
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12-12-2011, 02:14 PM | #24 | |
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12-12-2011, 02:20 PM | #25 |
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I would now like to propose a discussion on the proper contraction for "you all":
y'all or ya'll ? Y'all follows the grammatical contraction 'rules', but it looks silly to me. I'm a Ya'll girl. |
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Very much so. The difference with that situation compared to "it's" and "it is" is that the rule broken in your example has to do what the word(s) actually mean.
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12-14-2011, 08:38 AM | #27 |
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Aren't they both mis-spellings of the name of a kind of small boat?
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12-14-2011, 04:54 PM | #28 | |
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Yes, this not not Latin. English is a living breathing language that changes with time. American English is determined by how Americans in general write and speak and the rules are written/changed to reflect what is being used. I would say "of" is probably still considered proper, but falling slowly out of use just like the difference between shall and will has. As for y'all vs ya'll I have seen both in such great numbers I would have a hard time guessing which is right. y'all is proper contraction form IF its "you all" but some claim its "ya all" which would make ya'll correct. Also it is pronounced yawl so ya'll seems to fit that better. So I dunno! But I would lean towards y'all being "proper." |
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12-14-2011, 08:39 PM | #29 |
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My opinion is y'all is dialect, not proper English. Yes, it could become proper, just as TV became for television or xerox for photocopy, but it takes more widespread adoption. I'm not even sure who gets to decide when something becomes proper English but I feel a bit stodgy about it. The "I learned it a certain way so why should it change" attitude.
I've mentioned the Chicago Manual of Style before along with Strunk & White. If something is clearly defined in those then that, to me, is the "right" way and the rest of you can get off my lawn. At least I know I'm peculiar about it. |
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