New version of DRM removal tools ("DeDRM")

[ApK]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Perhaps if you had referenced "the DMCA or it's local equivalent"?

OK, although, I did emphasize "possibly." The possibility would presumably depend in part on the law applying in a given case.

I've offered my opinion on my use of DRM removal tools which basically amounts to my purchases are fair game for DRM removal, library loans are not.

Yup, got that. I was just commenting on a seeming hypocrisy in that stance, which you acknowledge. Cool by me. Moving on.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by Lynx-lynx

Well I'm confused, google tells me DMCA is a US copyright law.

As a by the way, is this forum still hosted in the US, or has it been moved to another country?

tl;dr: I mentioned that DMCA is a possible factor in the matter for some people, DNSB pointed out it only matters in the US.

[Lynx-lynx]

Originally Posted by Lynx-lynx

Well I'm confused, google tells me DMCA is a US copyright law.

As a by the way, is this forum still hosted in the US, or has it been moved to another country?

Why I'm wondering if this forum is still hosted in the US is because of copyright limitations on authors, as in 50 years, or (the US imposed by trade negotiations) 70 year rule. (Which now applies in too many countries, sigh)

[ApK]

Originally Posted by Lynx-lynx

Why I'm wondering if this forum is still hosted in the US is because of copyright limitations on authors, as in 50 years, or (the US imposed by trade negotiations) 70 year rule. (Which now applies in too many countries, sigh)

I'm not clear on what you're getting at, but perhaps the first posts in this sticky will help?
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14163

[Lynx-lynx]

Thanks, and darn it didn't go back to Canada for hosting.

[rkomar]

Canada is moving towards Life+70. Thanks, Trump.

[Lynx-lynx]

Originally Posted by rkomar

Canada is moving towards Life+70. Thanks, Trump.

It was forced on Australia by virtue of the balance of payments negotiations back in 2005. Hsssss ..



(My payback is i don't buy US products where there's an alternative. One does what one can)

[John F]

Originally Posted by Lynx-lynx

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(My payback is i don't buy US products where there's an alternative. One does what one can)

Are there any alternatives? The only Australian products I notice in the U.S. are actors and actresses.

[Lynx-lynx]

Originally Posted by John F

Are there any alternatives? The only Australian products I notice in the U.S. are actors and actresses.

I refer to all types of products, no one single product, including tech (kobo, Samsung, BlackBerry when they still made their own phones etc etc etc)

Good grief we even get US fruit and vegies etc, because of enforced balance of trade. We grow every variety of everything here - easy to boycott US produce

Okay back on topic, anyone noticed any changes to the new drm apart from what has already been noted?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DNSB

I do have some sympathy for the Kindle owners who can not read an epub library loan since outside ~70% of American libraries, Kindle format library loans are non-existent.

I don't have any sympathy for Kindle owners who can only get library eBooks in ePub. It is their fault for buying a Kindle which is incompatible with their local library. They could either buy a Kindle and a Reader compatible with their library or just forgo a Kindle. But in any case, they chose a Kindle.

[ratinox]

Originally Posted by ratinox

Okay, this is a valid use case. But is it a compelling case? I don't have an objective answer to the question.

Replying to myself here having had some time to consider various implications. The problem isn't that DRM-stripped ebooks have PI in them. It's that the original files have PI in them and the devices' storage are not encrypted at rest. If a computing device's storage has PI on it then the whole thing should be encrypted. This is a compelling case for the ebook makers to get their acts together.

But is it a compelling reason to strip PI from the ebooks you bought?

Definitely.

Maybe.

On the one hand, embedding some form of identifier that links an ebook to a purchaser is a viable anti-piracy mechanism. The ebook itself does not need to be DRM-encumbered for this to be viable. For example: PDFs from Drive Thru RPG are marked with the purchaser's name and order number but are otherwise unencumbered and can be viewed with pretty much any PDF reader on pretty much any device.

On the other hand, if a device can't or won't be secured sufficiently to protect any PI on it then that PI should be removed and in fact should never be on the device in the first place independent of any DRM.

[hobnail]

Originally Posted by ratinox

Replying to myself here having had some time to consider various implications. The problem isn't that DRM-stripped ebooks have PI in them. It's that the original files have PI in them and the devices' storage are not encrypted at rest. If a computing device's storage has PI on it then the whole thing should be encrypted. This is a compelling case for the ebook makers to get their acts together.

Wouldn't that require the user to enter a password? Every time they turn it on, or every time it wakes up?

If so then I'd use the setting to have it remember the password so I never have to enter it again. Maybe once per book might not be so bad.

[hobnail]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I don't have any sympathy for Kindle owners who can only get library eBooks in ePub. It is their fault for buying a Kindle which is incompatible with their local library.

No, it's their fault for living in a city/county where the library books are only available in epub.

[ratinox]

Originally Posted by hobnail

Wouldn't that require the user to enter a password? Every time they turn it on, or every time it wakes up?

If you mean like a smartphone or tablet? Then yes, exactly like that.

[hobnail]

Originally Posted by ratinox

If you mean like a smartphone or tablet? Then yes, exactly like that.

I'm the least security conscious person I know. With my new phone I had it using the finger print. Too much trouble. Prior to that it was the connect the dots pattern. Also got tired of that. So I just turned off the security altogether. I haven't bothered to figure out how to get it to recognize my face, but it would probably be half baked anyhow and I'd end up turning it off. Whenever the pandemic is finally over I'll have to do something when I go to baseball games since I leave it in my backpack in my seat when I go to get a hot dog.