What do you think of the name "liseuse?"

[brecklundin]

Originally Posted by kennyc

by what? Eat my Liver?

freaking PRICELESS!!!

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by igorsk

Trying to add the word to Wikipedia (and campaigning for it) is not pushing?
As I see it, a vocal minority of regular Lounge posters decided it would be funny to get this word adopted and got carried away. I wouldn't mind if it was restricted to the silly threads and not being imposed on everyone else.

I agree 100%.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Dave_S

Of course you should not accept Wikipedia as the final authority on anything, and it does not even pretend to be the final authority. Any respectable article on Wikipedia will have a section at the end where references to support the article are cited, and you can follow those to find supporting information. That was the test that the word in question here failed, because the only available references apparently only pointed back to here. The technical and professional electronics magazines and web sites in the English language already have pretty much settled on their word of choice anyway.

It is adding stuff like this to the wiki that makes it unreliable. This is a poor use of wiki to add a fake word that has no meaning.

[ShortNCuddlyAm]

Originally Posted by kazbates

Besides all that, I personally have never accepted Wikipedia as the final authority on anything. There are too many chances for error or opinion.

I don't accept Wikipedia as any authority, but either as a bouncing off point or a summary of things I've checked elsewhere. And, usually, if I do quote a Wiki article for which I can find no other reference, I usually draw attention to this fact (in my usual sarky way, I freely admit).

[Idoine]

As there is currently no official word in french for the device, I think french users are well-placed to propose a name.
And as Internet is currently the best way to propagate something, why not using it ?
Now english speakers don't have to use it, but I don't see why french speakers would have to use an english word if there is a possibility to create an alternative in french.
And if this alternative is sufficiently acknowledged, there is a chance that this term will appear on dictionaries in the end...
Am I here overly optimistic ?

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by Idoine

And if this alternative is sufficiently acknowledged, there is a chance that this term will appear on dictionaries in the end...
Am I here overly optimistic ?

I mentioned "loan words" before. Outside of two languages merging (by conquest or mass migration) most adopting of foreign words comes about by encountering a culture that has a concept or a product that is not already found in your own culture and picking up that word. For instance, in the mid-18th century when the Western world began to have cultural and material trade with Japan, we called a kimono a kimono not a "wrappy cloth thingy", we called sumo sumo, not "fat wrestly guys", and we called geisha geisha, not "powdery faced dancy girls." But we didn't start calling bread "pan" and dogs "inu" and foxes "kitsune" because we already had words for those things.

The electronic book is a new way of storing and displaying something we already have a word for-- "book." (The word applies both to the physical medium on which the words are stored and the book itself-- when someone says that they are writing a book, they are talking about stringing together the words.) And that is my problem with adopting the French word-- it isn't a French invention, it isn't a French concept, and adopting a French term for it into English is no less arbitrary than adopting whatever word is invented in Spanish, or German, or Maori, or a Khoisan language (hey, some "click" words might be fun for English!)

[Hellmark]

So far, all the french people I've seen call them "livre électronique" or elivre for short.

[Idoine]

Originally Posted by Hellmark

So far, all the french people I've seen call them "livre électronique" or elivre for short.

But "livre électronique" is a book, now we need a word for the device itself.
I don't see why we would have to use a term that don't really apply to the technology.
So, "liseuse" for the device, and "livres électroniques" or "numériques" inside the "liseuse" ?...

[nohmi2]

Originally Posted by Hellmark

So far, all the french people I've seen call them "livre électronique" or elivre for short.

At last: something that makes sense.

[Idoine]

Originally Posted by Idoine

...
And if this alternative is sufficiently acknowledged, there is a chance that this term will appear on dictionaries in the end...
Am I here overly optimistic ?

Originally Posted by ardeegee

I mentioned "loan words" before. Outside of two languages merging (by conquest or mass migration) most adopting of foreign words comes about by encountering a culture that has a concept or a product that is not already found in your own culture and picking up that word. For instance, in the mid-18th century when the Western world began to have cultural and material trade with Japan, we called a kimono a kimono not a "wrappy cloth thingy", we called sumo sumo, not "fat wrestly guys", and we called geisha geisha, not "powdery faced dancy girls." But we didn't start calling bread "pan" and dogs "inu" and foxes "kitsune" because we already had words for those things.

The electronic book is a new way of storing and displaying something we already have a word for-- "book." (The word applies both to the physical medium on which the words are stored and the book itself-- when someone says that they are writing a book, they are talking about stringing together the words.) And that is my problem with adopting the French word-- it isn't a French invention, it isn't a French concept, and adopting a French term for it into English is no less arbitrary than adopting whatever word is invented in Spanish, or German, or Maori, or a Khoisan language (hey, some "click" words might be fun for English!)

I don't try here to even suggest other than french speakers would use "liseuse".
I think it would be great that all languages create their own word (it would mean at least that the device is wordly known and used !)
Why not start here ? In a place where minds are open (most of the time...) to other cultures ?

[Hellmark]

Originally Posted by Idoine

But "livre électronique" is a book, now we need a word for the device itself.
I don't see why we would have to use a term that don't really apply to the technology.
So, "liseuse" for the device, and "livres électroniques" or "numériques" inside the "liseuse" ?...

elivre périphérique? elivre de lecteur?

[Idoine]

Originally Posted by Hellmark

elivre périphérique? elivre de lecteur?

Well, maybe, but as people tend to use the least words possible, reducing them to the maximum, with a unique word with 2 syllables the work is already made !

PS : We would rather say "périphérique d'elivre" or "lecteur d'elivres", BTW (no critic here, just to put it mre precisely ! )

[Crowl]

Originally Posted by Idoine

I don't try here to even suggest other than french speakers would use "liseuse".

Good for you, however others have seemingly had wider ranging plans for the word than you and have been trying to push its use in english too despite it not actually being the clear term to use in french let alone any other language.

[Moejoe]

You English-speaking pig-dogs. You sons of a motherless elderberry! I fart in your general directions! You silly kniggits!

Liseuse or Death!!



*posted while reading from Rosinante his Liseuse

[Idoine]

Originally Posted by Moejoe

You English-speaking pig-dogs. You sons of a motherless elderberry! I fart in your general directions! You silly kniggits!

Liseuse or Death!!



*posted while reading from Rosinante his Liseuse