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Old 06-10-2011, 04:14 PM   #121
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As you inferred at the end of your post, I'm not sure our personal experiences and inductive reasoning alone are the best indicators of gender distinctions.

I'm always amazed at the changes in culture-defined gender from generation to generation. I have a friend whose gaydar is completely inoperable when the object is under twenty-eight. She hasn't grasped that interests, modes of dress and behavior she'd grown up associating with gay people are now mainstreamed and straight as well.

But all of the common signifiers of gender seem gratuitous to me.
I think there are real differences that transcend setting and some that are fashion. We can exaggerate or minimize.

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You're right here. However, some masculine and feminine behaviors are either learned or capable/worthy of reinforcement. This is the idea behind the rules of chivalry and Emily Post.
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Old 06-10-2011, 07:05 PM   #122
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I think there are real differences that transcend setting and some that are fashion. We can exaggerate or minimize.
My point is that you and I aren't objective about the anthropology of gender and therefore aren't in a position to know what we "exaggerate or minimize." Culture and its patterns of association tend to make the artificial appear natural and therefore normative.

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However, some masculine and feminine behaviors are either learned or capable/worthy of reinforcement. This is the idea behind the rules of chivalry and Emily Post.
I'm not quite getting why you've brought up the history of chivalry and etiquette, which are (a) a completely different topic, (b) actually prove my point about cultural artificiality if you look at the conventions pitilessly (C.S. Lewis's Allegory of Love is a good place to start), and (c) aren't subjects about which one necessarily displays ignorance simply by pointing out our arbitrary notions of gender.

Re your idea about the biological/evolutionary bases of chivalry (if I understand you correctly): You could probably find and read evolutionary psychologists who agree with you on this, but I doubt you'll warm to certain unchivalrous pronouncements they tend to make in tandem with that theory.

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Old 07-15-2011, 04:31 AM   #123
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:36 AM   #124
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My very heterosexual husband is an avid book buyer (he has a Kindle). He enjoys a wide variety of subjects: science fiction, environmental issues, history, religion, philosophy, art, politics, war, music, economics, social science, etc. He will read just about anything.

Don't think he has any books on how to get laid though. Most married men have long since figured that out. :-)
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:29 AM   #125
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Don't think he has any books on how to get laid though. Most married men have long since figured that out. :-)
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Old 07-15-2011, 10:02 AM   #126
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...Don't think he has any books on how to get laid though. Most married men have long since figured that out. :-)
The trick is not getting caught by your wife!

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Old 07-15-2011, 09:36 PM   #127
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Me too, but if it were true it would, in one fell swoop, explain my awful dating history and absolve me of all blame regarding said history. However, it would also be a disappointment because I'm still seeking a man who reads because he wants to read, not for the purpose of "getting laid and making money".
Hint: look for the guys which developed their love for reading before the attraction of woman awakened in them. Unfortunately a lot of them have behavioural patterns, which from PUA viewpoint would classify them as betas. (what as a matter of fact prevents you to percieve them as potentially attractive partners)
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Instead of fascinating marvels of how-to secrets on life's greatest questions not 'why am I here?' but 'where do get laid?'
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If you just want to get laid - look out for those which get paid. If you are interested in more, you should be able to be and offer more. Therefor reading for self-education and making one think WHY isn't useless.

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Old 07-15-2011, 10:28 PM   #128
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So is the reader for straight men no good for anyone who is not a straight man?

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Old 07-16-2011, 12:48 PM   #129
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