Amazon Defends Pedophile Book

[brecklundin]

Originally Posted by drofgnal

Saw this today in USATODAY

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...and-pleasure/1

I'm all for not having censorship, but this crosses the line of common decency. Amazon CS will here from me on this. Not selling this book is not censorship, just being a responsible vendor.

I am speaking here from a position few of you have and in my opinion none of you who have not been in my situation have ******* right to say a thing.

I was molested, sexually, as a child starting from the age of 6-yrs old and it continued for several years. It has ruined my life for the most part. And yet, over the years I am a staunch supporter of complete freedom of expression.

If anyone here things forcing this ban on this book will stop on single child from being molested you have a sad sense of self-importance. Certainly write your letters to the publisher as well as Amazon. but here is food for though, ever ******* time you make a huge deal of this every single person who lived though this sort of torturous hell gets the lovely chance to relive the whole thing. And you have zero right to make me or anyone on my position to experience it all over again.

So while you feel you are "helping" none of you understand the ramifications of making a huge public issue of the matter...so ******* for causing me to relive it all over again today. Your public displays of indignant puffery, anger and "outrage" does none of us any help it simply returns many memories and sense of being a complete failure at life back front and center. Thanks for that...I mean why handle the matter like a truly caring adult and learn the last thing a person who lived through the acts wants is more violence...and here you are behaving in a manner that is almost no different than the bastard who molested me or who did the same or worse to others. But as long as you get your "me too" message out in public it's all good....so thanks for the thought you put in your decisions to publicly state the opinion rather than pursue other avenues.

[Catlady]

Originally Posted by Dulin's Books

you're right-Im a parent and you're right i dont want anyone getting ideas about my kids after reading this filth. but i also know that its the person and not the book. i dont want the government stopping the publishing of ideas, even ones i find abhorrent, because then they might decide my ideas need stopped as well.

And just exactly WHERE do you see "the government" in this tempest? This is consumer outrage directed at a company for selling a particular book. Do not consumers have the right to be outraged and to follow through on their outrage? Isn't that our First Amendment right?

[Dulin's Books]

Originally Posted by abookreader

If Amazon pulls this book from their buyers Kindles because it contains morally objectionable material - where are you going to put that line?

that's a very good question. this is a very good answer

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I will defend the rights of innocent children not to be harmed by sexual predators.

However JS

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Those other books

have at various times been banned in the US. it is indeed a slippery slope.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

And I think you are full of Bullcarp.......

But thats just me.

NO PERSONAL ATTACKS!

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

the title is still there and shows up in a search sure, but you cannot buy it. it might have to do with software issues that it needs to have a virtual presence cconnected to the item. they have made it impossible to purchase it, no one else will be able to get their kindles on it.

I unfortunately know one pedophile all to well and have spent a great deal of time talking to therapists because of that knowledge. pedophiles have very little self control which is why many of them choose chemical castration after incarceration as they know they cannot control their impulses. if they are going to act on their impulses, they will act. a book is NOT going to push them over the edge

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

I'm not Amazon, I don't know.

I do have first hand knowledge of pedophilia and pedophiles, probably a bit more than you do, and know what makes them tick. you are buying trouble and throwing up false scenarios

Originally Posted by brecklundin

I am speaking here from a position few of you have and in my opinion none of you who have not been in my situation have ******* right to say a thing.

I was molested, sexually, as a child starting from the age of 6-yrs old and it continued for several years. It has ruined my life for the most part. And yet, over the years I am a staunch supporter of complete freedom of expression.

If anyone here things forcing this ban on this book will stop on single child from being molested you have a sad sense of self-importance. Certainly write your letters to the publisher as well as Amazon. but here is food for though, ever ******* time you make a huge deal of this every single person who lived though this sort of torturous hell gets the lovely chance to relive the whole thing. And you have zero right to make me or anyone on my position to experience it all over again.

So while you feel you are "helping" none of you understand the ramifications of making a huge public issue of the matter...so ****** for causing me to relive it all over again today. Your public displays of indignant puffery, anger and "outrage" does none of us any help it simply returns many memories and sense of being a complete failure at life back front and center. Thanks for that...I mean why handle the matter like a truly caring adult and learn the last thing a person who lived through the acts wants is more violence...and here you are behaving in a manner that is almost no different than the bastard who molested me or who did the same or worse to others. But as long as you get your "me too" message out in public it's all good....so thanks for the thought you put in your decisions to publicly state the opinion rather than pursue other avenues.

oh hi there. guess I'm just chopped liver

[JSWolf]

There is a big difference in a book about pedophilia and a book on how to engage in pedophilia. The first I would defend to be sold. The second I would try to get pulled.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

oh hi there. guess I'm just chopped liver

If you are chopped liver, you really need a shower. PU. Chopped liver stinks. It's foul.

[Piper_]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

I'm not Amazon, I don't know.

I do have first hand knowledge of pedophilia and pedophiles, probably a bit more than you do, and know what makes them tick. you are buying trouble and throwing up false scenarios

So do I, KK. From both a victim's and a counselor's point of view.

It is true that a book like this is highly unlikely to create the desire.

But the tipping balance of whether or not to act on the desire is subject to the internal struggle of many, if not most, pedophiles: the question of whether or not it really that harmful to the child.

Books like this encourage the pedophile to go with his urges, because they assuage their guilt.

Books like this are also used to convince the child that it is safe and ok.


(For that matter, if you listen to non-pedophiles, a tragic number of them aren't as sure how evil it is, either.)

(And for the record, my position on the current case is only that:

- it is not a breach of the right to free speech, but a matter of business and free expression of values by Amazon and our society

- Amazon was smart to remove the book, but I would have respected them more, had they done it to demonstrate that they had enough depth of perception that they could see the line between non-fiction promotion of pedophilia and all the other false analogies that are so commonly brought up as possible targets if this were pulled.)

[rogue_red]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Maybe only one copy was sold at the time of the interview. But the book eventually sold enough to make it to the #96th top Kindle book.

I think you'll find it's actually an anomaly due to the book being pulled from sales. Rating is calculated by number of sales and time on sale. This is so that new books that sell good amounts can still progress up the ranking against books being on sale for a year or more (for example). 24 hrs ago its ranking was 72,890 and Amazon would not have pulled a book that was a top seller.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

A lot of people will not be doing business with Amazon any longer. So from a business standpoint it was a bad idea to sell it.

I really doubt it's going to have any impact at all. Certainly less than the impact of them deleting 1984 from the Kindles.

[Worldwalker]

So what other books should Amazon remove?

[kindlekitten]

it is my understanding that is a bunch of loosely connected ramblings and fairly unreadable. I don't think this is mind candy for pedophiles

[Dulin's Books]

Originally Posted by Catlady

And just exactly WHERE do you see "the government" in this tempest? This is consumer outrage directed at a company for selling a particular book. Do not consumers have the right to be outraged and to follow through on their outrage? Isn't that our First Amendment right?

no im totally in favor of consumer outrage, yeah free market. some in this thread, it seems to me,are advocating for a legal ban. thats what my post is about

[nguirado]

Amazon may have the right to sell the book and we all have the right not to buy from Amazon.

By the way, I'm also a teacher (and parent) and would not encourage students to read banned books just because they were banned. We wonder why children lack certain moral characteristics and then encourage them to read things that attack those attitudes.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by kennyc

I really doubt it's going to have any impact at all. Certainly less than the impact of them deleting 1984 from the Kindles.

I think that Amazon did make up for the pulling of 1984 and I do think most people who said they won't do business wth Amazon went back to doing business again because of how Amazon ended up handling 1984.

This is different. When you are dealing with something so emotionally charged, people don't tend to soon forget. What can Amazon really do to get these people back other then deleting any copies they can?