CNET: The Future of the Tablet is the PC

[TimW]

Originally Posted by wodin

Yep, after all, someone might get carpel finger syndrome.

Around my area, that usually happens during rush hour.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by TimW

Around my area, that usually happens during rush hour.

LOL

[Josieb1]

Personally if my Surface is on a table with the keyboard attached I use a mouse, if it's on my lap without a keyboard I use the pen and my finger. Going forward when I buy my next laptop (no the Surface is not a full replacement) I won't be bothered about whether it's a touchscreen or not as I won't be using my finger on a screen that's vertically in front of me, I'll use a mouse. And that i think is the issue, most people won't find a touchscreen natural if the device is vertically in front of them, if it's on their lap that's a different story.

[pwalker8]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

When I see someone state facts, I expect that person to be able to back it up.
My name isn't Lucy and you are not Charlie Brown.
We don't want to argue but why should we take the time to verify your facts for you.
Heck, maybe I should. I could probably find a study that says people have no trouble or complaints about going from keyboard to touchscreen.
I have to give you credit. You make me want to grab a keyboard.
If Google is so easy, why don't you just link to your findings?

Why should I bother to do your research for you? We have this wonderful thing called Google. When you see a post where you don't want to believe what the poster says, and combatively say "where is your proof? Show me links", then you are calling that poster a liar. Why should I go out of my way for someone who is calling me a liar? I reported something that I read about why touch screen laptops were not popular. I also reported that Apple as well as many other companies spend lots of money on UI labs. You don't believe that? Ok, I'll turn it back on you. Where is _your_ proof? Show me links (valid links, not just some joker with a blog mouthing off) that say Apple doesn't spend lots of money researching UI.

[MikeB1972]

Originally Posted by pwalker8

Why should I bother to do your research for you? We have this wonderful thing called Google. When you see a post where you don't want to believe what the poster says, and combatively say "where is your proof? Show me links", then you are calling that poster a liar. Why should I go out of my way for someone who is calling me a liar? I reported something that I read about why touch screen laptops were not popular. I also reported that Apple as well as many other companies spend lots of money on UI labs. You don't believe that? Ok, I'll turn it back on you. Where is _your_ proof? Show me links (valid links, not just some joker with a blog mouthing off) that say Apple doesn't spend lots of money researching UI.

All he asked for was a link the the study you mentioned, seems fair enough, if it was something you read a while back and don't remember where, also, fair enough, just say that.

BTW, you can't prove a negative, that's like me asking you to prove that Denmark doesn't have a space station orbiting Jupiter, provide links.

[murg]

Originally Posted by pwalker8

When you have a history of being combative and picking fights, then you really shouldn't expect me to keep trying to kick the football. Generally when I see someone demand someone else provide links, I'm pretty sure they are only looking to argue rather than seriously interested in the subject. Google is very easy to use, you know.

You really think that all testing and research on UI's stopped when iPads came out? I can't imagine why you would think so. UI testing and research is wide spread and not just limited to the computer world. It's a whole field of study.

Actually, I never asked for links.

Originally Posted by murg

What's the criteria in the UI tests you mention?

Are the subjects used to using both, or are they keyboard/mouse people who are being presented with touch for the first time?

All I wanted to know is what the criteria in the UI tests were? I have an interest in UI design and usability, and was genuinely interested in the criteria of the test mentioned.

You immediately turned this into an attack on me, effectively claiming that I was trying to start a flame war.

You have since managed to turn this simple request for a clarification into an attack on pretty much anyone who disagrees with you.

And while I will agree that Google is a wonderful resource, it suffers from a tendency to return too many inappropriate links for general queries, of which any UI query is one.

[ekbell]

Here is a link to the abstract of one study on the effects of touchscreens so that the argument may be resumed on a more informed basis.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...39.2011.592604
Conclusion: using touch screens with desktop PCs leads to shoulder strain.

BTW the search did involve term refinement and link following, so I wouldn't call it straightforward.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by ekbell

Conclusion: using touch screens with desktop PCs leads to shoulder strain.

I can well believe that's true. If I raise my arm from my keyboard to touch my desktop monitor, it certainly feels awkward. Completely different to using a tablet touchscreen.

[Yolina]

I wouldn't consider using a touchscreen with a desktop, however it's now one of my "must have" on a laptop

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by Yolina

I wouldn't consider using a touchscreen with a desktop, however it's now one of my "must have" on a laptop

Agreed, on a laptop it is useful. I find the touchscreen particularly useful on my Surface Pro for scrolling in the web browser.

[wodin]

Yes, and when your eyeballs get as old as mine, pinch to zoom is a sight saver!

[fjtorres]

Originally Posted by Yolina

I wouldn't consider using a touchscreen with a desktop, however it's now one of my "must have" on a laptop

Totally different ergonomic environments, no?
Even then:


http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-ser...view-09304801/

Things change.

[fjtorres]

Btw, tablets aren't the only category stalling in the market.
Desktop PCs are also stalled:

http://www.cnet.com/news/computer-ta...st-gets-worse/

PC shipments are expected to tumble 8.7 percent this year, and won't stabilize until 2017. Tablets, meanwhile, will see an 8 percent decline in shipments.

The sobering forecast underscores a broader problem in the industry: an overall lack of excitement and enthusiasm in either the tablet or PC markets. Consumers are hanging onto their old PCs and tablets longer -- and why not? There have been few innovations in the tablet business to drive a new purchase, and the 3-year-old Window 8 software for laptops and desktops was never much of a lure. Microsoft's decision to offer free upgrades to its new Windows 10 software, which debuted in late July, meant most consumers didn't need a new device to take advantage of its latest bells and whistles.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by fjtorres

Btw, tablets aren't the only category stalling in the market.
Desktop PCs are also stalled:

Desktop sales have been in free fall for a long time. I work for an extremely large company and they've bought nothing but laptops for years now, and I imagine most home users buy a laptop in preference to a desktop, too. There are people who still buy desktops, such as hardcore gamers, but it's very much a minority market.

[Cinisajoy]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Desktop sales have been in free fall for a long time. I work for an extremely large company and they've bought nothing but laptops for years now, and I imagine most home users buy a laptop in preference to a desktop, too. There are people who still buy desktops, such as hardcore gamers, but it's very much a minority market.

Or those that think a laptop won't do everything a desktop does because they don't research but believe something they heard years ago from a computer manufacturer.