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Old 06-16-2016, 06:58 PM   #46
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A waste of what?

Processors in Kindle devices have almost nothing to do in their life. Once every billion cycles, the human operator ask for a page turn. The rest of the time, they're asleep.
You want to keep the processor with nothing to do in order to have the longest possible battery life. Once it's busy indexing books, or calculating how many dots to put for a cover it's a waste of battery.
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Old 06-16-2016, 07:22 PM   #47
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There is a new update for the readers, and we got the dots back
Version number is 5.8.1, all of the newer models got it, including the PW2.

This update includes performance improvements and the following new features:

Reading Progress Dots: We listened to feedback from our customers and brought reading progress dots back to your library. You can now see reading progress and relative book length for downloaded books in the library list view.
More Ways to Share: Recommend books to friends from About This Book.
Kindle Unlimited Recommendations: Try Kindle Unlimited for free and see recommended Kindle Unlimited titles after choosing your favorite genres.
Save Wi-Fi Passwords to Your Amazon Account: Save your Wi-Fi passwords to your Amazon account for future convenience. We can configure your compatible devices so that you won't need to reenter your Wi-Fi passwords on each device.
Must not be for the Kindle Fire. Still at 5.1.2 there.
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Old 06-16-2016, 08:25 PM   #48
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Must not be for the Kindle Fire. Still at 5.1.2 there.
The Kindle Fire is an entirely different animal.
It is a tablet with an ereader app as opposed to an ereader.
Totally different firmwares and operating systems.
IIRC: ereaders are Linux based and the Fire is Android based.
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You want to keep the processor with nothing to do in order to have the longest possible battery life. Once it's busy indexing books, or calculating how many dots to put for a cover it's a waste of battery.
You have convinced me: Amazon should remove the dots.
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Old 06-16-2016, 09:47 PM   #50
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You have convinced me: Amazon should remove the dots.
Not sure computing *that* takes any extra time at all, given that it already has to work out the length of the book and how far you are through it in order to produce the percentage-read counter it already shows. (Heck, even ixtab's hyphenation-on-the-Kindle patch had zero discernible effect on battery life, and that was doing stuff for every *word* displayed.)
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update mostly looks like they added more bluetooth support. seemed to recompile all the binaries and slightly change them. haven't investigated why yet.
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Old 06-17-2016, 02:25 PM   #52
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You have convinced me: Amazon should remove the dots.
Ha! I didn't say they needed to remove it, just that they don't have to re-calculate which book is the longest each time a new book is added. An upper limit on dots for very long books is fine. Anything over a certain number of pages has the same number of dots.
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Old 06-17-2016, 03:07 PM   #53
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Ha! I didn't say they needed to remove it, just that they don't have to re-calculate which book is the longest each time a new book is added. An upper limit on dots for very long books is fine. Anything over a certain number of pages has the same number of dots.
Recalculating which book is the longest is probably best implemented as an insertion sort: O(n) where n is probably on the order of only a thousand. The Kindle could do it in a millisecond, easily, and would only have to do it when a new book was added.

Amazon will have realised the same thing.

The only reason really long books top out at a max number of dots is because book sizes have a long-tail distribution: most books are not enormously long, and it is more important to show your position in the majority of shorter books than it is to show it in the few enormously long ones.

The classic way to handle long-tail distributions is to use a logarithmic scale, but honestly this feature is exposed to users and a log scale would probably be deeply confusing to a lot of them, not least because no scale is *visible*, it's just a string of dots, so even people who knew what a log scale was would see instead a bunch of dots where adjacent books of different lengths where you were at the same place in each had the bold 'read' dots going different distances on the screen, a longer distance for shorter books. Way too confusing. Capping the display is the only sane approach.
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Old 06-17-2016, 07:02 PM   #54
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Thanks for the pic. I am surprised I don't remember them on the cover view
That's what the original Kindle Touch still looks like (on 5.3.7). Not that I mind the the percentage "circle" in the "New Touch" cover view.

Does anyone know if you can get List View in the Kindle (7th generation, "New Touch")? I can't find it anywhere.

EDIT: Found it. I have to click on "All Items" in Library View.

2nd EDIT: I manually updated. I like the return of the dots. Even though I didn't know I was missing them (since I had never gone out of Grid View on this Kindle). If I keep this "New Touch" Kindle, I'll probably pay the $20 to remove advertising. It turns on automatically when I open the cover, but then I have to swipe the screen anyhow. Therefore, no more convenient than the old Kindles. (Unless the Swipe to Open doesn't go away even without the advertising?)
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Old 06-17-2016, 08:48 PM   #55
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(Unless the Swipe to Open doesn't go away even without the advertising?)[/I]
Without the ads you don't have to swipe to open. I have the New Touch without SO and it opens automatically on the page where I left off (or on the homescreen if I was there last).
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Without the ads you don't have to swipe to open. I have the New Touch without SO and it opens automatically on the page where I left off (or on the homescreen if I was there last).
Excellent. That's what I was hoping to hear. Google was surprisingly unhelpful on this subject (seemed to be conflicting reports). Now if I keep the New Touch I'll almost certainly pay the $20 fee. Thanks.
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Save Wi-Fi Passwords to Your Amazon Account: Save your Wi-Fi passwords to your Amazon account for future convenience. We can configure your compatible devices so that you won't need to reenter your Wi-Fi passwords on each device. [/I]
Anybody found a option to disable this "feature" and prevent password-saving? I have only found an option to delete stored passwords.
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A waste of what?

Processors in Kindle devices have almost nothing to do in their life. Once every billion cycles, the human operator ask for a page turn. The rest of the time, they're asleep.
You forget indexing.
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This update is ~200Mb. If I don't have that much on my USB mount partition, will the kindle still auto-update?
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Anybody found a option to disable this "feature" and prevent password-saving? I have only found an option to delete stored passwords.
I looked and couldn't find it either

I'm also surprised they haven't added the Ember font to other Kindles. Only the Oasis has it. Why??
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