Sigil to Kindlegen -- No Table of Contents - Page 4

Bas · 01-28-2012, 01:52 PM

Thanks Diap
So sounds like I need to stat reformatting the epub to convert to a better looking Mobi plus work out why I'v ended up with two linked Contents - I'll get there.

ThosThos · 03-01-2012, 08:04 PM

Kindlegen is an awful product, Amazon should be ashamed of themselves. Just because it's free is no excuse for not even taking the trouble to release a Windows version. Running in a DOS box is simply out of the Ark and demonstrates that Amazon are only interested in restricting the freedoms of their customers.

Calibre is a great format convertor and they are working on a KF8 conversion as you read this. I have no doubt that it will deal with Sigil output in a thoroughly sensible and professional way (Amazon take note!). This is a big job since KF8 itself is a dog's breakfast, even if it will eventually stumble on a way to do things properly. On past performance, I expect Calibre to come up with a first version of a KF8 convertor within a month.

If you use Calibre, please consider contributing financially. It's your main defence against the incompetence of Amazon.

JSWolf · 03-01-2012, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bas

Thanks Diap
So sounds like I need to stat reformatting the epub to convert to a better looking Mobi plus work out why I'v ended up with two linked Contents - I'll get there.

The solution is to REMOVE the internal ToC page. You don't need it and the people reading your ePub don't need it as well.

Calibre converts toc.ncx to a ToC page in Mobi. So that's why you don't need that internal ToC page or you WILL get two different ToC pages.

DiapDealer · 03-01-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The solution is to REMOVE the internal ToC page. You don't need it and the people reading your ePub don't need it as well.

Calibre converts toc.ncx to a ToC page in Mobi. So that's why you don't need that internal ToC page or you WILL get two different ToC pages.

Dude, you really don't get it do you? Like it or not: there's ePub... and then there's ePub that's gonna be a mobi. They're two different beasts. And besides... your beef with having inline ToCs in ePubs is just a personal preference that not everybody shares.

JSWolf · 03-01-2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Dude, you really don't get it do you? Like it or not: there's ePub... and then there's ePub that's gonna be a mobi. They're two different beasts. And besides... your beef with having inline ToCs in ePubs is just a personal preference that not everybody shares.

In an ePub, you can get to the external ToC fairly easily. But to get to the internal ToC, you either have to know what page number it is or go to the external ToC and then if there is a link to the internal ToC, use that to go to the internal ToC. But then if you're already at the external ToC, why do you need to go to the internal ToC?

Jellby · 03-02-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

But then if you're already at the external ToC, why do you need to go to the internal ToC?

Because the internal ToC may have chapter summaries, illustrations, clearer formatting...

DaleDe · 03-02-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Because the internal ToC may have chapter summaries, illustrations, clearer formatting...

Certainly true and we have been down this road many times before. When Jon gets on his high horse he behaves like a troll. You are not going to convince him. He also has a mouse in his pocket so he can use 'we' a lot to convince others he speaks for the majority which he most certainly does not.

Dale

ursalina · 03-03-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by paul-b

generate toc.ncx in Sigil
Save epub
use Kindlegen to convert epub to mobi
upload to kindle (Fire) to test

...and I can't get the TOC.

I've searched the Sigil site and these forums and haven't found anything to help me troubleshoot. Chances are that I'm missing something obvious.

I'm pretty good at troubleshooting... if someone could just give me some hints at what to look at.

Using Sigil 0.4.903 .. Kindlegen 1.2

Thank you.

I'm having the same problem. I've had success in showing the Table of Contents when I work on my manuscript,
but when I post it on Barnes and Noble, the reader does not see the Table of Contents.
How do I get it to show to the reader, not just myself?

Ursalina

ursalina · 03-03-2012, 06:43 PM

p.s. I'm also working using sigil.

theducks · 03-03-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ursalina

p.s. I'm also working using sigil.

Did you create a TOC (either manual build the NCX file, or click the Button in the TOC editor window)?

Sigil 5 no longer automatically destroys existing TOC (a requested feature) for its default version.

You should see the TOC in the TOC viewer

JSWolf · 03-04-2012, 12:25 AM

The problem is with Kindlegen. It doesn't respect the ToC in toc.ncx. So if you don't have a ToC internal, Kindlegen won't generate one for the Mobi. The only way to get a ToC from toc.ncx is to use Calibre to convert the ePub to Mobi.

JSWolf · 03-04-2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Because the internal ToC may have chapter summaries, illustrations, clearer formatting...

And in most cases (from what I've seen) the internal ToC in the ePub is no better then the external ToC.

DiapDealer · 03-04-2012, 07:36 AM

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The only way to get a ToC from toc.ncx is to use Calibre to convert the ePub to Mobi.

The only way? You could just make one yourself. It's not like a page of links is rocket science.

HarryT · 03-04-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ThosThos

Kindlegen is an awful product, Amazon should be ashamed of themselves. Just because it's free is no excuse for not even taking the trouble to release a Windows version. Running in a DOS box is simply out of the Ark and demonstrates that Amazon are only interested in restricting the freedoms of their customers.

Kindlegen is a tool aimed at publishers, not end users. Command-line tools are far better suited for automated workflow tasks than GUI applications - they can be scripted and run automatically. It has nothing to do with "restricting the freedoms of their customers".

It is, by the way, a Windows application: it's a Windows CONSOLE application.
Console apps have nothing to with "DOS".

ursalina · 03-06-2012, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bas

Many thanks again - I did put the book through notepad as recommended by smashworks before putting it on Sigil.
I'v now run it through the threepress.org epubcheck and also transferred it to Calibre - all ok including the TOC.
All I think I need to do is link the index of contents to each html section as kindly described by TheDucks. I'm just a bit nervous about meddling with the CSS.toc but needs must.
Couldn't have got this far as a computer ignoramus without all your help.

Hi new to mobileread, am struggling with getting a table of contents to show for nook. came across your thanks and don't know how to access explanation you're thanking, can you be so kind as to pass along directions to me? Thank you so much.

03-01-2012, 08:04 PM	#47
ThosThos Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2010 Device: Kindle	Have a little patience Kindlegen is an awful product, Amazon should be ashamed of themselves. Just because it's free is no excuse for not even taking the trouble to release a Windows version. Running in a DOS box is simply out of the Ark and demonstrates that Amazon are only interested in restricting the freedoms of their customers. Calibre is a great format convertor and they are working on a KF8 conversion as you read this. I have no doubt that it will deal with Sigil output in a thoroughly sensible and professional way (Amazon take note!). This is a big job since KF8 itself is a dog's breakfast, even if it will eventually stumble on a way to do things properly. On past performance, I expect Calibre to come up with a first version of a KF8 convertor within a month. If you use Calibre, please consider contributing financially. It's your main defence against the incompetence of Amazon.

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01-28-2012, 01:52 PM	#46
Bas Enthusiast Posts: 24 Karma: 464 Join Date: Dec 2011 Device: none	Thanks Diap So sounds like I need to stat reformatting the epub to convert to a better looking Mobi plus work out why I'v ended up with two linked Contents - I'll get there.

03-03-2012, 06:43 PM	#54
ursalina Junior Member Posts: 4 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2012 Device: nook	p.s. I'm also working using sigil.

03-04-2012, 12:25 AM	#56
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,743 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	The problem is with Kindlegen. It doesn't respect the ToC in toc.ncx. So if you don't have a ToC internal, Kindlegen won't generate one for the Mobi. The only way to get a ToC from toc.ncx is to use Calibre to convert the ePub to Mobi.

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