looking at a new kindle paper white need advice

[Hollow Man]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

The OP has recently edited their original post.

I still don't know why they're not looking at the latest Paperwhite...

[Hollow Man]

Originally Posted by issybird

I'd be running screaming into the night myself!

Yeah; we're definitely too much!

[sian]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Thing is, if I bought a PW6 and didn't know if the issues with getting eBooks so I could remove the DRM, I'd be really pissed at Amazon. If the issues were not mentioned, we don't know if the OP would be planning to trace in his existing Kindle or not and if that would leave the PW6 as the only Kindle unable to do some things he wants to do.

We don't know what the OP wants to do. We've given the facts about the PW6. Now it's up to the OP to decide.

One thing we don't know yet is if the 2024 Kindles have the problem of Amazon deleting side loaded eBooks from them.

When I installed 5.17.1 on a PW5, the page turns were faster. I don't know if the PW6 is faster or not.


For me, I would want to edit Kindle eBooks. I find there to be some problems with them that I want to fix. For example, a 7% indent is too much and I want to add hyphens because I'd prefer reading KF8 because I do not like the forced line height of KFX.

i back up my kindle books using calibra its only way i know how
i like the the 11th gen paperwhite signature edition comes in blue
the 12th i believe doesn’t.
i also have had problems sending to kindle so i us calibra to convert my doc to kindle format as haven’t figured out how to do it any other way yet.

i wanted extra memory as the comics i download take up more room
also want a flush screen to case

but ive heard the paperwhite signature edition 12 gen dont do things the paperwhite signature 11gen can and that where im getting confused i think


so i need the paperwhite signature edition to work with
calibre
libby
6.8 screen
32gb as dont think 16gb will hold comics without slowing down
it doesnt come in blue ( which is my favourite cololur)
and im guessing the paperwhite signature edition 11 gen should cost less than the 12 gen

thats a few reasons i was thinking about the paperwhite signature edition 11 gen would be better

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by issybird

This is a "don't put beans up your nose" issue. Sideloading via USB and keeping a Kindle offline I suspect is not mainstream. One cannot possibly come up with every possible issue to warn off potential purchasers, nor should one. It's up to the purchaser to identify their parameters. I see what seems to me to be a lot of FUD in these threads when a hapless poster just wants some reassurance or a nudge in the right direction. Something that's really easy-peasy becomes fraught and it's so unnecessary and counterproductive.

Yeah. The OP just said they like to back up their books. A previous poster who considered buying a Kindle wanted to sideload. So it seems many users who find their way to MR are not, in fact, typical Kindle users or hapless posters who only want to buy/download/read. Most of those never come to MR.

[sian]

Originally Posted by issybird

These are not equivalents.

Not everyone cares -- at all -- about the things you cite, but everyone does prefer a better piece of hardware. And even at that, you're overstating. If, and I see no sign of it, the OP cares about D&T, they've already got a device that allows it, and thus removal of DRM.

I personally have never done a single thing you mentioned except removing DRM and I can't be bothered any more. That's why I have Kindles, so I can read Kindle content.

Generally speaking, unless someone who comes here to ask for device recommendations mentions a factor or an issue in their question, I think the assumption is that it doesn't matter to them. And the more esoteric, the more likely. Jailbreaking, seriously? Where did you get the idea that the OP is interested in that? Too much of many recommendations are sheer projection.

Now I'll project a bit: I think most people mainly want a nice device that they can afford/represents a good value that lets them access and read ebooks easily. The rest is mostly incidentals and relatively much less important, if at all. And most of them have viable alternatives, as well. Can't sideload? Send to Kindle is phenomenal and I only wish Kobo had it.

I personally can't understand why someone would prefer an outdated piece of tech that's far too expensive (if it were significantly cheaper I'd understand), but people are funny. Heh. I'd gladly swap out my PW5 for a PW6 and even include a sweetener. Jailbreak? Piffle. I lust for those snappy page turns.

i just want it to read also the kindle are getting to thin so i was hoping that the paperwhite signature edition 11gen isnt too thin as that gives me problems to hold it

[cellaris]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Of course. Merely using a Kindle device doesn't mean being inside a walled garden. Generally it means not being able to use your purchased content outside the garden. If you don't buy from Amazon, you're not in their garden.

That's what I mean. I can buy the books from the Kobo shop, Google or my favourite bookstore, remove the DRM, make a backup copy, change the format and read it on my Kindle e-readers (whether it's a PW5 or a PW6). Exactly the same as if I have a Kobo Sage or a PocketBook Era. I am not locked into Amazon. Amazon doesn't stop me from reading books bought elsewhere. On the contrary, it provides me with tools to send them to me.

Can I also use Amazon's "ecosystem"? Yes, you can. I can buy books from Amazon and download them directly to my Kindle e-readers, or I can use KU if I want to. And I can also remove DRM from them using exactly the same tools as if I have a Kobo Sage or a PocketBook Era. There is no difference whatsoever in that respect.

You want to call that a "walled garden". Fine. But being outside (having a Kobo Sage or a PocketBook Era instead of a Kindle PW6) doesn't give you more options or make you freer. It's a semantic illusion.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by cellaris

Can I also use Amazon's "ecosystem"? Yes, you can. I can buy books from Amazon and download them directly to my Kindle e-readers, or I can use KU if I want to. And I can also remove DRM from them using exactly the same tools as if I have a Kobo Sage or a PocketBook Era. There is no difference whatsoever in that respect.

You want to call that a "walled garden". Fine. But being outside (having a Kobo Sage or a PocketBook Era instead of a Kindle PW6) doesn't give you more options or make you freer. It's a semantic illusion.

No, that's not what anyone here calls a walled garden. What we mean is that recently Amazon has been trying to take away DRM removal options - constantly updating the Kindle app to not work with the deDRM plugin, now removing D&T for 2024 Kindles and so on. If it becomes impossible to remove DRM from Amazon ebooks, then those who still purchase their ebooks from Amazon will be locked in a walled garden, i.e. they won't be able to take their ebooks outside the garden.

Kobo and Google haven't made any attempts to lock their users in more than usual. So far, at least.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Hollow Man

I still don't know why they're not looking at the latest Paperwhite...

No Download & Transfer, I guess. They said they like to back up their books.

[Hollow Man]

They have older Kindles, so while not the most convenient solution, still doable.

[cellaris]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

No, that's not what anyone here calls a walled garden. What we mean is that recently Amazon has been trying to take away DRM removal options - constantly updating the Kindle app to not work with the deDRM plugin, now removing D&T for 2024 Kindles and so on. If it becomes impossible to remove DRM from Amazon ebooks, then those who still purchase their ebooks from Amazon will be locked in a walled garden, i.e. they won't be able to take their ebooks outside the garden.

Kobo and Google haven't made any attempts to lock their users in more than usual. So far, at least.

Of course. But that has nothing to do with whether or not to buy a Kindle Paperwhite 6. And we're always lumping it together. If you like the PW6, buy it. Because Amazon (in a hypothetical future) preventing the removal of DRM from its books is going to affect all e-readers on the market equally. You won't be able to download and transfer Amazon books via USB on any of them (although you will always be able to read them on a Kindle Paperwhite 6 via Wifi and not on a different brand of e-reader). The warning "exclusive" to the PW6 is the one that grates on me. It's one thing to warn about Amazon's "walled garden" and quite another to exclude the Kindle Paperwhite 6 as a purchase option for that reason. Because if that's a reason for exclusion, all e-readers of any brand should be excluded. If you are so worried about Amazon preventing the removal of DRM from its books, warn about that. The solution to that problem is not to stop buying a 2024 Kindle model and buy an e-reader of another brand. If you are so concerned, recommend buying from other bookstores.

(In any case, I think most Kindle users are Kindle users because it is so easy to buy a book from Amazon and read it directly on their e-reader. I'm convinced that those of us who buy off Amazon or download and transfer their books via USB to our Kindle are in a minority, albeit a rather noisy one).

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Hollow Man

They have older Kindles, so while not the most convenient solution, still doable.

Maybe they plan to sell or give away the Oasis. The Fire can't be used for DRM removal.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by cellaris

(In any case, I think most Kindle users are Kindle users because it is so easy to buy a book from Amazon and read it directly on their e-reader. I'm convinced that those of us who buy off Amazon or download and transfer their books via USB to our Kindle are in a minority, albeit a rather noisy one).

Most Kindle users, almost certainly. Most Kindle users who are MR members? Not so sure about that...

As to the warning about the PW6, it is valid if the poster plans to sell/give away/trade in their older Kindle and use only the PW6, AND also buys most of their ebooks from Amazon. It will be much more difficult to liberate their purchases then. Of course, buying an ereader of another brand won't help with liberating Amazon ebooks either. But buying a PW5 instead of PW6 (like the OP wants to do) would certainly help.

[Hollow Man]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Most Kindle users, almost certainly. Most Kindle users who are MR members? Not so sure about that...

I'm one. Just too lazy and have other things I want to do with my time than de DRM book files. Same with Steam and videogames.

If I ever lose access to those items, I'll deal with it at that time.

[cgsmom]

Yes, I am sure that this thread will scare away most newbies to ebooks. However, us regulars are very familiar with this discussion.

I have had an interesting week. A hinge on my laptop broke and my computer had to be returned to HP for repair. A library book that I had on hold came available. Without a working copy ADE, I had no way to transfer the book to my Nook. So, I either had to use the Libby app or just use read with Kindle. I read for a while on my PW4. I realized that what I really dislike about the PW4 is the slow response to page turn taps. If the new Paperwhites are as fast as many people have said, I might actually get used to it. (I can't believe I just said that).LOL

I like my Oasis just fine, but I am not crazy about the asymmetrical shape. Even though Amazon is a walled garden, they do a good job of making that garden very user friendly as long as you use your Kindle as intended. I personally like STK and the syncing of sideloaded content is a huge plus.

I am a bit insulted that Amazon just dismisses their customers that use page turn buttons as unimportant, but if I found myself for some reason needing to go back to Amazon, I could live with it. I too am growing weary of jumping through hoops to liberate all my book files.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by cgsmom

I too am growing weary of jumping through hoops to liberate all my book files.

For me, liberating my ebooks is so important that I could never live in any walled garden even for a day. But then I'm a nerd and I like to tinker - to patch my Kobos, to manage my Calibre library, to edit my ebooks. All this is a hobby in itself for me, not just a bothersome chore; I enjoy doing these things. Many people don't, so after a while they lose interest in messing with DRM and using Calibre (or never had any interest in it in the first place).

Well, to each their own.