Kindle Paperwhite Indexing? - Page 3

eschwartz · 12-07-2014, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pghaworth

Braggart.

I would never, calibre is so much nicer. Just floating ideas, mostly to show how unfeasible they are -- the ONLY decent management will be through a semantic metadata-tagging mechanism, and the ability to quickly select an arbitrary combination of lots of books, e.g. through CTRL+CLICK.

pghaworth · 12-07-2014, 10:35 PM

I talked somewhere here about Calibre being like an onion, layer upon layer, with so many options and benefits that it's sometimes hard to discover them all unless you have the time. I rarely have the time to really delve and dig. This week, for the first time I discovered the delete from device function. I had never seen it before and I will use it from now on when the situation permits. Very flexible and extremely helpful. The more I use Calibre the more I love it.

Huneycutt · 01-12-2015, 12:06 AM

The problem I have with the new search has to do with bibles with "direct verse jump". They require a search index option, which has been removed.

HarryT · 01-12-2015, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huneycutt

The problem I have with the new search has to do with bibles with "direct verse jump". They require a search index option, which has been removed.

What's been removed? Can you elaborate?

Huneycutt · 01-12-2015, 09:32 AM

The drop down list to the left of the search box has been removed. There is no way to select the index.

HarryT · 01-12-2015, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Huneycutt

The drop down list to the left of the search box has been removed. There is no way to select the index.

After you do the search, there are "panels" on the results page which show you the results of all the different searches which were previously on the "Scope" menu. Nothing (to the best of my knowledge) has been removed: it's just a different layout.

Huneycutt · 01-12-2015, 10:11 AM

To jump to a verse in the kindle bible you search the index for the verse number. Not a string of text in the book. For example: to go to John 3:16, you search the index for "jn 3 16". If you search for "jn 3 16" you get Book results (0). There isn't and index "panel" on the results page.

HarryT · 01-12-2015, 10:35 AM

Sorry to be dense, but I don't understand what you mean by "Search the Index". On the older firmware, which I still have on my PW2, the "Search Scope" drop-down gives you these choices:

This Book
My Items
All Text

plus others for "Kindle Store", "Dictionary", and "Wikipedia".

On my Voyage, with the new firmware, there's no drop-down. If you do a search from within a book, you're doing the equivalent of a "This Book" search on the old firmware. If you do a search from the home screen, you get a series of panels: "My Items" (which is the same as the old "My Items", and just returns hits on authors and titles), and "Text in Books" (which is the same as the old "All Text", and does a full-text search), plus panes for "Kindle Store", "Dictionary", and "Wikipedia".

As I said, I don't believe anything's been removed: it's just differently arranged.

Apologies if I've misunderstood you.

eschwartz · 01-12-2015, 10:47 AM

Do you mean the Index Items filter, which shows up in dictionaries? That should replace the This Book filter.

HarryT · 01-12-2015, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

Do you mean the Index Items filter, which shows up in dictionaries? That should replace the This Book filter.

Are these bibles formatted as dictionaries, then? That's a cunning trick, if so

.

You can do an index search in a dictionary on the Voyage (I've just tried it, to make sure).

Huneycutt · 01-12-2015, 11:38 AM

No, they are not formatted as dictionaries. On the touch and the pw1 there is an "index items" in the search scope that doesn't appear on the pw2 anywhere I can find. The drop down menu to select the search scope was removed. Maybe this has always been the case for the pw2. I have a touch and pw1. The pw2 is new to me. I'm running 5.6.1.
I really appreciate all the feedback.

Mike

HarryT · 01-12-2015, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huneycutt

No, they are not formatted as dictionaries. On the touch and the pw1 there is an "index items" in the search scope that doesn't appear on the pw2 anywhere I can find. The drop down menu to select the search scope was removed. Maybe this has always been the case for the pw2. I have a touch and pw1. The pw2 is new to me. I'm running 5.6.1.
I really appreciate all the feedback.

Mike

The PW2 has the search scope dropdown (with its older firmware, at least), but it's as I described in my previous post. No "Index Items" on it. The new firmware removed the scope dropdown, but simply rearranged things: nothing was taken away. Tell me: do you see "Index Items" on the dropdown on your PW1 for an ordinary book, or does it only appear for your bible?

Might be worth asking Kindle CS about it.

Huneycutt · 01-12-2015, 11:47 AM

The "Index Items" on the dropdown on the PW1 does not appear on an ordinary book. It does appear on the bible. I guess I'll pursue Kindle CS or the publisher of the bible, OSNOVA.
Thanks for your help. I don't wish to waste any more of your time.

Mike

01-12-2015, 10:35 AM	#38
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Sorry to be dense, but I don't understand what you mean by "Search the Index". On the older firmware, which I still have on my PW2, the "Search Scope" drop-down gives you these choices: This Book My Items All Text plus others for "Kindle Store", "Dictionary", and "Wikipedia". On my Voyage, with the new firmware, there's no drop-down. If you do a search from within a book, you're doing the equivalent of a "This Book" search on the old firmware. If you do a search from the home screen, you get a series of panels: "My Items" (which is the same as the old "My Items", and just returns hits on authors and titles), and "Text in Books" (which is the same as the old "All Text", and does a full-text search), plus panes for "Kindle Store", "Dictionary", and "Wikipedia". As I said, I don't believe anything's been removed: it's just differently arranged. Apologies if I've misunderstood you. Last edited by HarryT; 01-12-2015 at 10:41 AM.

01-12-2015, 11:47 AM	#43
Huneycutt Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2015 Device: pw2	The "Index Items" on the dropdown on the PW1 does not appear on an ordinary book. It does appear on the bible. I guess I'll pursue Kindle CS or the publisher of the bible, OSNOVA. Thanks for your help. I don't wish to waste any more of your time. Mike Last edited by Huneycutt; 01-12-2015 at 09:20 PM.

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12-07-2014, 10:35 PM	#32
pghaworth Fervent Pleasure Seeker Posts: 1,224 Karma: 712073 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: The Windmills of My Mind Device: Clara HD	I talked somewhere here about Calibre being like an onion, layer upon layer, with so many options and benefits that it's sometimes hard to discover them all unless you have the time. I rarely have the time to really delve and dig. This week, for the first time I discovered the delete from device function. I had never seen it before and I will use it from now on when the situation permits. Very flexible and extremely helpful. The more I use Calibre the more I love it.

01-12-2015, 12:06 AM	#33
Huneycutt Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2015 Device: pw2	The problem I have with the new search has to do with bibles with "direct verse jump". They require a search index option, which has been removed.

01-12-2015, 09:32 AM	#35
Huneycutt Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2015 Device: pw2	The drop down list to the left of the search box has been removed. There is no way to select the index.

01-12-2015, 10:11 AM	#37
Huneycutt Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2015 Device: pw2	To jump to a verse in the kindle bible you search the index for the verse number. Not a string of text in the book. For example: to go to John 3:16, you search the index for "jn 3 16". If you search for "jn 3 16" you get Book results (0). There isn't and index "panel" on the results page.

01-12-2015, 10:47 AM	#39
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Do you mean the Index Items filter, which shows up in dictionaries? That should replace the This Book filter.

01-12-2015, 11:38 AM	#41
Huneycutt Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2015 Device: pw2	No, they are not formatted as dictionaries. On the touch and the pw1 there is an "index items" in the search scope that doesn't appear on the pw2 anywhere I can find. The drop down menu to select the search scope was removed. Maybe this has always been the case for the pw2. I have a touch and pw1. The pw2 is new to me. I'm running 5.6.1. I really appreciate all the feedback. Mike

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