Change of heart at Apple?

[ProfCrash]

Originally Posted by SeaKing

If buyers could only hold out a little bit, they would get the same products 25% to 33% cheaper, but no price resistance at all. None.

I guess it is like a "collector's Nike Shoe."

The economy must be doing pretty good except in China where the kid sold a kidney to get the stuff.

I held out to the IPad 3. I wanted a tablet, I looked at the Android ones. I was not happy with what I could get there. I looked at my friends who play stupid games that I like and they all had IPad's. I finally bought an IPad.

A part of me hates myself for doing it but the silly thing just works and works well. (shrugs)

I did laugh when I loaded the Kindle App, I got a pop up window asking me if I wanted to download IBooks and I said no. I think the IPad sighed a sad sigh.

[hrosvit]

Originally Posted by Talldog

I wonder how many people even remember that Apple themselves stole the window GUI interface, which was actually developed at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center.

This.

I own several Apple devices, including an iPhone and a brand spanking new Fondleslab, and am pretty satisfied with them (I'm considering having the iPad surgically attached). But I don't try to delude myself by believing that Apple is a different kind of company than any other trying to make a buck. They happen to make some devices which fit specific needs (wants) I have. But they fall far, far short in some other categories, so I have other, different devices. And when I sleep, all my devices come to life and slug it out in the living room.

[obsessed2]

Originally Posted by elcreative

Hmmm... must have missed the lack of competition, thought that there were other computers, smartphones, tablets etc on sale... my mistake... or has this thread degenerated once more to another anti-Apple diatribe as usual... yup... guess it's not possible to discuss anything Apple without the usual insults etc taking over...

No diatribe, just legitimate discussion. And yes there are other computers, phones etc. out there that are trying to compete with Apple hoping to avoid their legal threats. When Apple sues the competition over such frivolous things like App Store (e.g. GetJar & Amazon) or whether the tablet they make is rectangular and flat they are obviously trying to block these companies from competing with them.


Perfect example: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/a...75?tag=nl.e550


These are not insults but reported facts. FYI, I own some Apple products and it saddens me to see the road the company has gone down.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by obsessed2

However, when Apple sues the competition over such frivolous things like App Store (e.g. GetJar & Amazon) or whether the tablet they make is rectangular and flat they are obviously trying to block these companies from competing with them.

judges rule against apple so not any effect. not a big deal.

in market is where real competion takes place. apple and samsung still verry very strong.

law suits overated.

[fjtorres]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

for business winning means customers and profit.

for consumers mean choice.


all are winnign.

That's not enough for the fanboys, though.
For the fanboys it's not enough to have a choice of good products that meet their needs but rather everybody else's choice has to lose.

[fjtorres]

Originally Posted by hrosvit

And when I sleep, all my devices come to life and slug it out in the living room.

I caught mine playing strip poker at 3AM.
The XBOX had the cable box down to its circuit board.
I drank a glass of water and went back to sleep.
Some things just aren't worth worrying about.

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by Talldog

I wonder how many people even remember that Apple themselves stole the window GUI interface, which was actually developed at the Xerox Palo Alto Research Center.

Originally Posted by hrosvit

This.

Apple did not steal the window GUI interface from Xerox. They bought it. They also greatly improved it - the Xerox interface didn't have overlapping windows at all. It needed Bill Atkinson's regions to allow overlapping non-rectangular windows.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by fjtorres

it's not enough to have a choice of good products that meet their needs but rather everybody else's choice has to lose.

very sad. too cheer about others loss kills part of your own soul. even worse when there loss is no gain to you.

eh. my thinking. maybe not others

[5thWiggle]

Originally Posted by fjtorres

BTW, Apple has always been lawsuit-happy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_C..._Computer_Corp.

IBM sued other companies over its BIOS as well and won. It wasn't until Phoenix proved they used a "clean room" approach and software engineers with no knowledge of IBM BIOS source code to reverse engineer the BIOS that IBM clones could be built.

Old Infoworld article

Originally Posted by pdurrant

Apple did not steal the window GUI interface from Xerox. They bought it. They also greatly improved it - the Xerox interface didn't have overlapping windows at all. It needed Bill Atkinson's regions to allow overlapping non-rectangular windows.

Xerox's work on the GUI was also heavily influenced by Doug EngelBart's Augmentation Research Center at the Stanford Research Institute.

[Talldog]

Originally Posted by pdurrant

Apple did not steal the window GUI interface from Xerox.

The only thing that article says is that they got a tour and a demo in exchange for being allowed to buy stock.

[Andrew H.]

Originally Posted by Talldog

The only thing that article says is that they got a tour and a demo in exchange for being allowed to buy stock.

They were allowed to buy stock *before* Apple went public. Apple went public the next year and the $1 million in stock became worth about $20 million.

[ScotiaBurrell]

How matter gui? Ancient history.

[HappyMartin]

Originally Posted by petermillard

I think HM just missed off the [/ironic sarcasm] tag - at least, that's how I read it - unless, of course, that's what you were doing too, in which case it's a for me, lol!

And FWIW I don't think there's been any change of heart at Apple - there's a good outline of Tim Cook's actual comments here.

You are correct. I was being sarcastic. I use some Apple stuff but if I am a fan of anything in a silly way it is not Apple that does it for me. Apple is just another company although massively successful.

[ProfCrash]

Originally Posted by HappyMartin

You are correct. I was being sarcastic. I use some Apple stuff but if I am a fan of anything in a silly way it is not Apple that does it for me. Apple is just another company although massively successful.

I agree with this. I have IPod's and now an IPad. What I buy from Apple, I buy because it works well and easily and quickly. I spent the better part of 6 months trying to find an alternative to the IPad because I am not a huge fan of some of Apple's policies. Failing to find something roughly equivalent and the right price point I sucked it up and bought the IPad. 1 hour later, I had downloaded a bunch of apps and was happily enjoying myself.

I am the same way with Amazon. I buy from Amazon because they have made it easy to do so and they are pretty affordable. I like the ease of using my Kindle and buying books.

Apple and Amazon are companies. They are doing what they can to increase their profit margins and expand their business. That is what busnisses do. They are not good and they are not evil, they are organizations trying to maximize profits. (shrugs)

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by ProfCrash

Apple and Amazon are companies. They are doing what they can to increase their profit margins and expand their business. That is what busnisses do. They are not good and they are not evil, they are organizations trying to maximize profits. (shrugs)

very well stated.