Register Guidelines E-Books Today's Posts Search

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > News

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-25-2010, 07:33 AM   #31
Lady Fitzgerald
Wizard
Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Lady Fitzgerald's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,013
Karma: 251649
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Tempe, AZ, USA, Earth
Device: JetBook Lite (away from home) + 1 spare, 32" TV (at home)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sil_liS View Post
You commented on me saying "But we don't have any device that we are going to be using for at least a decade." with the fact that you were using a 7 year old computer. And it is true that they were making long lasting devices 30 years ago, but that is before I was born. I've only started to have an income 5 years ago, and nothing that I buy is made to last a decade with regular use.
I was pointing out that I do not replace devices as long as they are working for me and still meet my needs instead of always wanting to get the latest and greatest, which was what I saw as being the gist of your original post (below).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sil_liS View Post
But we don't have any device that we are going to be using for at least a decade. If you would use a reader for only a year before you get a new one with better features, why would it matter that the screen could work forever?
The point is not everyone wants to replace things after only a year's use. I'm still on XP because I want to get my money's worth out of the computer that replaced the seven year old computer (Vista and Win7 won't run on it). I got an XP machine because, at the time, Win7 wasn't out and Vista stinks. I also had an expensive music notation program I used a lot that wouldn't run on Vista. I will continue to use this machine until it or XP dies.

Things are still being made that will last a decade with regular use; you may just have to pay more for them, take better care of them, and make up your mind you will not succumb to wanting the latest and greatest or wanting to keep up with the Joneses.

Of course, if you want to nitpick...
Lady Fitzgerald is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 08:22 AM   #32
Sil_liS
Wizard
Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 4,896
Karma: 33602910
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: PocketBook 903 & 360+
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
I was pointing out that I do not replace devices as long as they are working for me and still meet my needs instead of always wanting to get the latest and greatest, which was what I saw as being the gist of your original post (below).
First of all laptops are not made to last a decade. If that were the case, the warranty would be longer. I usually take good care of my toys, and I never needed to use the warranty, and the laptop that I use is 3 years old, but it wasn't made to work forever.

And technology becomes obsolete. You might not care about some things if you don't play computer games on your PC, but for most people the fact that the screen of a PC can work for a really long time (if you don't drop it or kick it) doesn't make a difference in how often they buy a new one.

For ereaders this even more important. They will make plastic screens, and they will be lighter and more resistant. By the time I buy a new one they will also have better processors, battery, resolution, color, etc. And the disposable paper ones would be perfect for children.
Sil_liS is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 11-25-2010, 09:33 AM   #33
Lady Fitzgerald
Wizard
Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Lady Fitzgerald's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,013
Karma: 251649
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Tempe, AZ, USA, Earth
Device: JetBook Lite (away from home) + 1 spare, 32" TV (at home)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sil_liS View Post
...And technology becomes obsolete...
Manufacturers may try to make technology obsolete but, if it still meets one needs, then why discard it? My multimeter still measures voltage, current, and resistance. It was all I needed it for when I bought it and it is still all I need it for. Radio Shack may consider it obsolete but I don't.

I still have an old Commodore C64c. It still works but it is now obsolete. Technically, it was obsolete when the C128 came out in 1985 yet it maintained its popularity. The Amiga was supposed to replace both the 64 and the 128 in 1987 yet both the 64 and the 128 continued to be popular. The C64c I have still functioned fine for me until I got my first PC around nine or ten years ago (I used work PCs prior to that).

As far as warranties go, the length of a warranty doesn't always indicate how long a product will last. At one time auto batteries could be bought with life time full replacement warranties (my daddy milked one for ten years). The batteries, of course, rarely lasted more than a couple of years. Now, batteries last longer but warranties are rarely more than five or six years and are prorated. My '08 Ford F150 has a three year, 36k mile warranty yet Ford trucks, if properly cared for, will last at least 100k, frequently longer, and still be cost effective to maintain.

The JetBook Lite I'm using works fine and meets my needs. One of the biggest advantages it has is I can easily replace the AA batteries it runs on in the field (I carry both the JBL and spare batteries in my purse). I don't have to remember to recharge the JBL (a large problem for me because of ADD) nor do I have to worry about the batteries running down at an inconvenient time since they are easy to replace. Since that one feature is important enough for me, I'll keep using the JBL until it dies since it is highly unlikely anyone else will put out a reader that uses AAs.
Lady Fitzgerald is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 10:00 AM   #34
Sil_liS
Wizard
Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 4,896
Karma: 33602910
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: PocketBook 903 & 360+
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
The JetBook Lite I'm using works fine and meets my needs.
So why would you even comment on this thread? Why do you care if they make a disposable ereader? The direction of the technology moves away from your ideal reader so you wouldn't buy what they are making anyway.
Sil_liS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 10:07 AM   #35
Salgueiros
Eudaimonia
Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Salgueiros's Avatar
 
Posts: 898
Karma: 9164418
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Device: Sony PRS T2, Sony PRS T3, Sony DPT-RP1
I am completely against the concept of disposable consumer goods, except in those areas that are absolutely necessary (like in medical needles and such). They exert an incredible negative impact in our ecosystems that we should reject.

Why have a disposable ereader? I adopted a ereader precisely because i could use it for a long time and avoid having to buy lots of dead tree paper. I don't see the logic here.

As a research subject, i am tottally in favour of this study. As someone pointed before, this technology might find use in ereaders that are not disposable, or lead to improvements in current technology, but implementation of this as a disposable object for mass comsumption, no.

Last edited by Salgueiros; 11-25-2010 at 10:18 AM.
Salgueiros is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 11-25-2010, 10:36 AM   #36
Sil_liS
Wizard
Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 4,896
Karma: 33602910
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: PocketBook 903 & 360+
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salgueiros View Post
As a research subject, i am tottally in favour of this study. As someone pointed before, this technology might find use in ereaders that are not disposable, or lead to improvements in current technology, but implementation of this as a disposable object for mass comsumption, no.
I'd like to point out that the *screen* can become disposable. If you read the article, you would see that what the researchers actually said was "In general, this is an elegant method for reducing device complexity and cost, resulting in one-time-use devices that can be totally disposed after use". As far as I know, the processor and battery still weigh in on the cost of an ereader. But I can see that you could have conference posters where you could play an animation instead of being limited to figures.

Plus one of the big advantages is the fact that it is flexible. The problem so far with making screens that can be folded is the fact that they get damaged. If it doesn't cost that much to replace the screen, than we could have devices that can fit in a small purse, but can be unfolded to a 15" screen.
Sil_liS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 02:25 PM   #37
Lady Fitzgerald
Wizard
Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Lady Fitzgerald ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Lady Fitzgerald's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,013
Karma: 251649
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Tempe, AZ, USA, Earth
Device: JetBook Lite (away from home) + 1 spare, 32" TV (at home)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sil_liS View Post
So why would you even comment on this thread? Why do you care if they make a disposable ereader? The direction of the technology moves away from your ideal reader so you wouldn't buy what they are making anyway.
Reread my first post.
Lady Fitzgerald is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 02:38 PM   #38
MikeFromHC
Zealot
MikeFromHC has learned how to read e-booksMikeFromHC has learned how to read e-booksMikeFromHC has learned how to read e-booksMikeFromHC has learned how to read e-booksMikeFromHC has learned how to read e-booksMikeFromHC has learned how to read e-booksMikeFromHC has learned how to read e-books
 
Posts: 143
Karma: 880
Join Date: Jun 2010
Device: Pandigital Novel
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salgueiros View Post
I am completely against the concept of disposable consumer goods, except in those areas that are absolutely necessary (like in medical needles and such). They exert an incredible negative impact in our ecosystems that we should reject.

Why have a disposable ereader? I adopted a ereader precisely because i could use it for a long time and avoid having to buy lots of dead tree paper. I don't see the logic here.

As a research subject, i am tottally in favour of this study. As someone pointed before, this technology might find use in ereaders that are not disposable, or lead to improvements in current technology, but implementation of this as a disposable object for mass comsumption, no.
Given a choice between using one piece of paper for a book or several hundred which would you pick?
Given that one paper backed piece of paper with attached Li-on battery, electronics, substrates, and "ink" would you be more likely to recycle it than a single sheet of paper?
MikeFromHC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 03:07 PM   #39
Salgueiros
Eudaimonia
Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Salgueiros ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Salgueiros's Avatar
 
Posts: 898
Karma: 9164418
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Device: Sony PRS T2, Sony PRS T3, Sony DPT-RP1
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeFromHC View Post
Given a choice between using one piece of paper for a book or several hundred which would you pick?
Given that one paper backed piece of paper with attached Li-on battery, electronics, substrates, and "ink" would you be more likely to recycle it than a single sheet of paper?

I would not buy a piece of paper with attached battery and electronics if that presupposes a single use. A whole book of paper is easier to recycle than a single sheet of paper with electronic circuits attached, let alone a battery.

If the choice is between a classic book and a paper discardable ebook i would buy a classic book. But between a ereader and (several) paper books, then i choose the ereader.
Salgueiros is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 05:02 PM   #40
Sil_liS
Wizard
Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Sil_liS ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 4,896
Karma: 33602910
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: PocketBook 903 & 360+
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Reread my first post.
I did, and I still don't get your point. Paper would be cheap, light and flexible. You sugest that they:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
Just put the "paper" behind a plastic screen to protect it from physical damage and put the whole affair in a sturdy case (aluminum?) that won't shatter when dropped.
That would add expenses, weight and make it loose its flexibility. WHY?
Sil_liS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 05:07 PM   #41
kennyc
The Dank Side of the Moon
kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
kennyc's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,900
Karma: 119230421
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Denver, CO
Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire
Forget the e-reader just download the book to a chip in your brain. No muss, no fuss.
kennyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 05:28 PM   #42
snipenekkid
Banned
snipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensions
 
Posts: 760
Karma: 51034
Join Date: Feb 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by kennyc View Post
Forget the e-reader just download the book to a chip in your brain. No muss, no fuss.
or perhaps for some here a chip on a suppository might be a better option. Just remind them to remove the foil before insertion as the foil can interfere with reception of content downloads.
snipenekkid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 05:30 PM   #43
Bilbo1967
Not scared!
Bilbo1967 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bilbo1967 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bilbo1967 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bilbo1967 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bilbo1967 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bilbo1967 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bilbo1967 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bilbo1967 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bilbo1967 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bilbo1967 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bilbo1967 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Bilbo1967's Avatar
 
Posts: 13,424
Karma: 81011643
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Midlands, UK
Device: Kindle Paperwhite 10, Huawei M5 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by snipenekkid View Post
or perhaps for some here a chip on a suppository might be a better option. Just remind them to remove the foil before insertion as the foil can interfere with reception of content downloads.
That would probably only be for Dan Brown novels
Bilbo1967 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 05:30 PM   #44
kennyc
The Dank Side of the Moon
kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.kennyc ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
kennyc's Avatar
 
Posts: 35,900
Karma: 119230421
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Denver, CO
Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire
Quote:
Originally Posted by Salgueiros View Post
I am completely against the concept of disposable consumer goods, except in those areas that are absolutely necessary (like in medical needles and such). They exert an incredible negative impact in our ecosystems that we should reject.
......
http://www.storyofstuff.com/
kennyc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2010, 05:31 PM   #45
snipenekkid
Banned
snipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensionssnipenekkid can understand the language of future parallel dimensions
 
Posts: 760
Karma: 51034
Join Date: Feb 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo1967 View Post
That would probably only be for Dan Brown novels
Don't leave out those afflicted with Oprahoids...
snipenekkid is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
DX Folder Breakthrough! Sheikspeare Amazon Kindle 13 10-23-2009 12:40 AM
Disposable e-paper CTH News 9 08-20-2009 10:03 PM
How to create a disposable personal organizer Colin Dunstan Lounge 4 11-16-2005 07:20 PM
PookMail another disposable e-mail doctorow Lounge 1 04-04-2005 04:48 AM
Disposable Email Colin Dunstan Lounge 4 01-27-2005 07:05 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:56 PM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.