My Oasis has splotchier lighting than any early Paperwhite or Voyage I've seen. - Page 24

kobayashi · 05-17-2016, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Josieb1

I've had every version of the kindle since the Kindle Keyboard, apart from the non lighted ones since the PW2 came out. I used to desperately want every new kindle but with the Oasis that need has gone. I just don't feel excited about kindles anymore and unless they one day do something drastic I won't ever again.

Even though I have a lovely Voyage screen I just prefer reading on a Kobo.

+1

Waiting for their quality control to drastically improve.

JSWolf · 05-17-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kobayashi

+1

Waiting for their quality control to drastically improve.

Dream, dream, dream, dream
Dream, dream, dream, dream

When I want you in my arms
When I want you and all your charms
Whenever I want you
All I have to do is dream
Dream, dream, dream

kobayashi · 05-18-2016, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Dream, dream, dream, dream
Dream, dream, dream, dream

When I want you in my arms
When I want you and all your charms
Whenever I want you
All I have to do is dream
Dream, dream, dream

LOL Too true

ArthurianLegends · 05-24-2016, 12:39 PM

I want to upgrade my PW, but have been recently disappointed in the contrast issues and light uniformity issues I have seen of the Oasis. Many of the comparison reviews (even the ones that praise the Oasis) show what looks to be an inferior screen when set side by side with the Voyage. The Oasis does seem to have a contrast that is comparable to to the current PW.

(I still have my Kindle keyboard and remember at how enchanted I felt looking at the e-ink—I loved the default font on this model).

Every single Oasis I have seen seems to have a grayer tone to the fonts, which has held me at bay from an outright purchase. This makes me wonder whether Amazon has changed their quality control or have cuts costs in manufacturing while increasing the price of upgraded models.

SCION · 05-24-2016, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ArthurianLegends

..The Oasis does seem to have a contrast that is comparable to to the current PW.
...

I have not experienced this. In a side-by-side comparison of my PW3 and Oasis, the Oasis contrast is noticeably better. And the contrast is on par with several Voyages I have had in hand.

Unfortunately, blanket statements in any regard do not seem to apply with Kindles, as it depends on luck of the draw. Definitely a Your Mileage May Vary situation. I try to preface my comments with "my Oasis", because it really is a lottery.

Blossom · 05-24-2016, 12:49 PM

The gray fonts issue really started with the first Paperwhite. It's one of the reason I can't read on mine. Contrast is horrible. I have seen later K3s with this issue too. My K3 does not have that problem but my brother in-law's does.

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Kolja · 05-24-2016, 01:41 PM

As always, it seems to be a lottery. I had 2 Oases with screens that had slight color shifts and cone shadows. For me however, the biggest issue was that neither had contrast as good as that on my Voyage. I have read other posts that say the Oasis has better contrast than the Voyage so it really is YMMV and luck of the draw. I've decided that I'm lucky to have a Voyage with such a good screen and just enjoy it and forget the new tech.

ArthurianLegends · 05-24-2016, 08:29 PM

I am sorry I did not mean to suggest that all Oasis's have the same screen, but thought that the inference would come from the ones I have seen, which is in my first sentence. I also do not wish to suggest that all PW's have the same screen, as these have been truly all over the contrast gamut. Every time I see a demo, the screens seem different, even when comparing models in the same font and brightness.

I want to upgrade my PW, but feel that a higher end product should not be the luck of the draw.

I am wondering if the Voyage is now more consistent in quality, having been out for awhile.

odamizu · 05-24-2016, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ArthurianLegends

... Many of the comparison reviews (even the ones that praise the Oasis) show what looks to be an inferior screen when set side by side with the Voyage ...

Every single Oasis I have seen seems to have a grayer tone to the fonts, which has held me at bay from an outright purchase. This makes me wonder whether Amazon has changed their quality control or have cuts costs in manufacturing while increasing the price of upgraded models.

My theory is it's the lighting on the Oasis that washes out the text.

When I put my Oasis and Voyage side by side with the light set all the way to 0, the screens are the same — text is equally sharp and black.

When I start to turn up the light, the text on the Oasis becomes increasingly washed out, more and more gray the higher the light setting. It's like the light layer clouds the screen. This doesn't happen with the Voyage, which stays sharp and black.

ArthurianLegends · 05-25-2016, 07:08 AM

Thank you, odamizu for sharing that. I want something that stays sharp and black with or without lighting. I was wondering if this was a new trend with the Amazon devices in terms of lighting and the washed out letters (although many have reported variances).

My dilemma is whether I spring for the current Voyage in hopes that I get the nicer contrast or wait until the Oasis goes through a few production cycles that may improve this issue with a bit more uniformity.

Till, then I will continue with the current PW. Thanks to everyone for their input here. I think I found a nice online community to hang out in between reading, work and research.

odamizu · 05-25-2016, 12:43 PM

I'm just guessing here, but I think this is a design issue resulting from using 10 LEDs on the side (Oasis) rather than 6 LEDs on the bottom (Voyage). As such, I'm not expecting this will improve with production cycles, though I am hopeful it will.

Barty · 05-25-2016, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ArthurianLegends

(I still have my Kindle keyboard and remember at how enchanted I felt looking at the e-ink—I loved the default font on this model).

Every single Oasis I have seen seems to have a grayer tone to the fonts, which has held me at bay from an outright purchase. This makes me wonder whether Amazon has changed their quality control or have cuts costs in manufacturing while increasing the price of upgraded models.

The front lit kindles add a light guide and a touch layer over the e-ink screen. This has an impact.

For most people, it is a worthwhile trade-off in being able to read in suboptimal light. The front light also makes the background lighter, enhancing perceived contrast.

However, some people just do not like the plain e-ink to front lit e-ink transition. The additional layers aren't completely transparent; they make it more like looking through a screen, as opposed to looking at a page. They also add visual artifacts, like the infamous light cones and screen splotchiness.

My sister has an old basic kindle and a voyage, but she only uses the voyage when she's flying and doesn't want to turn on the overhead cabin light to read. She doesn't like something about the voyage screen, though what exactly she can't say.

kobayashi · 06-03-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by odamizu

I'm just guessing here, but I think this is a design issue resulting from using 10 LEDs on the side (Oasis) rather than 6 LEDs on the bottom (Voyage). As such, I'm not expecting this will improve with production cycles, though I am hopeful it will.

That's obviously what's causing the color gradients across their screens. The gradient goes top-down on the Voyage and left-right on the Oasis.

odamizu · 06-03-2016, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by odamizu

I'm just guessing here, but I think this is a design issue resulting from using 10 LEDs on the side (Oasis) rather than 6 LEDs on the bottom (Voyage).

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Originally Posted by kobayashi

That's obviously what's causing the color gradients across their screens. The gradient goes top-down on the Voyage and left-right on the Oasis.

I was referring to the text being less sharp. The LEDs on the side is obviously causing the left-right color gradient, but I'm guessing having 10 LEDs also washes out the text more than 6 LEDs, and that's why the Oasis text is not as sharp as the Voyage when it's lit (the screens are equally sharp when both have lighting set to zero).

Atunah · 06-03-2016, 11:16 PM

Thankfully my Oasis is the same sharpness as my Voyage, same contrast same black of the fonts. Up to light level 11-12 they are pretty much the same. In higher light levels, the Oasis does not look as good as the Voyage. But I never go higher than 11 on either device anyway.

My Voyage has a great screen, no cones, no color issues. I got lucky with that one. Oasis is acceptable, as it looks even at my personal light levels. My first PW was horrible on the other hand.

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05-24-2016, 12:39 PM	#349
ArthurianLegends Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 23914 Join Date: May 2016 Location: Camelot Alto Device: Kindle Touch (4rth Gen)	I want to upgrade my PW, but have been recently disappointed in the contrast issues and light uniformity issues I have seen of the Oasis. Many of the comparison reviews (even the ones that praise the Oasis) show what looks to be an inferior screen when set side by side with the Voyage. The Oasis does seem to have a contrast that is comparable to to the current PW. (I still have my Kindle keyboard and remember at how enchanted I felt looking at the e-ink—I loved the default font on this model). Every single Oasis I have seen seems to have a grayer tone to the fonts, which has held me at bay from an outright purchase. This makes me wonder whether Amazon has changed their quality control or have cuts costs in manufacturing while increasing the price of upgraded models.

05-24-2016, 12:49 PM	#351
Blossom Treasure Seeker Posts: 18,708 Karma: 26026435 Join Date: Mar 2010 Device: Kobo HD Glo, Kindles, Kindle Fires, Andriod Devices	The gray fonts issue really started with the first Paperwhite. It's one of the reason I can't read on mine. Contrast is horrible. I have seen later K3s with this issue too. My K3 does not have that problem but my brother in-law's does. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

05-24-2016, 01:41 PM	#352
Kolja Zealot Posts: 144 Karma: 1417416 Join Date: Aug 2015 Device: Kindle Voyage	As always, it seems to be a lottery. I had 2 Oases with screens that had slight color shifts and cone shadows. For me however, the biggest issue was that neither had contrast as good as that on my Voyage. I have read other posts that say the Oasis has better contrast than the Voyage so it really is YMMV and luck of the draw. I've decided that I'm lucky to have a Voyage with such a good screen and just enjoy it and forget the new tech.

05-24-2016, 08:29 PM	#353
ArthurianLegends Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 23914 Join Date: May 2016 Location: Camelot Alto Device: Kindle Touch (4rth Gen)	I am sorry I did not mean to suggest that all Oasis's have the same screen, but thought that the inference would come from the ones I have seen, which is in my first sentence. I also do not wish to suggest that all PW's have the same screen, as these have been truly all over the contrast gamut. Every time I see a demo, the screens seem different, even when comparing models in the same font and brightness. I want to upgrade my PW, but feel that a higher end product should not be the luck of the draw. I am wondering if the Voyage is now more consistent in quality, having been out for awhile.

05-25-2016, 07:08 AM	#355
ArthurianLegends Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 23914 Join Date: May 2016 Location: Camelot Alto Device: Kindle Touch (4rth Gen)	Thank you, odamizu for sharing that. I want something that stays sharp and black with or without lighting. I was wondering if this was a new trend with the Amazon devices in terms of lighting and the washed out letters (although many have reported variances). My dilemma is whether I spring for the current Voyage in hopes that I get the nicer contrast or wait until the Oasis goes through a few production cycles that may improve this issue with a bit more uniformity. Till, then I will continue with the current PW. Thanks to everyone for their input here. I think I found a nice online community to hang out in between reading, work and research.

05-25-2016, 12:43 PM	#356
odamizu just an egg Posts: 1,832 Karma: 8006102 Join Date: Mar 2015 Device: Kindle, iOS	I'm just guessing here, but I think this is a design issue resulting from using 10 LEDs on the side (Oasis) rather than 6 LEDs on the bottom (Voyage). As such, I'm not expecting this will improve with production cycles, though I am hopeful it will.

06-03-2016, 11:16 PM	#360
Atunah Wizard Posts: 1,817 Karma: 23400001 Join Date: May 2012 Location: USA Device: K1/K3/BasicK Voyage/Oasis1/Oasis3	Thankfully my Oasis is the same sharpness as my Voyage, same contrast same black of the fonts. Up to light level 11-12 they are pretty much the same. In higher light levels, the Oasis does not look as good as the Voyage. But I never go higher than 11 on either device anyway. My Voyage has a great screen, no cones, no color issues. I got lucky with that one. Oasis is acceptable, as it looks even at my personal light levels. My first PW was horrible on the other hand.

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