What about a phone

[mdp]

Originally Posted by eReader fan

I am surprised reading you talking about features that from many years come with the eInk phones we have seen. Just take a look at Yotaphone 2 and see the 2 cameras, the flashlight and a good specs for a cheap phone nowadays.

Yes, but allow me to note that the Yotaphone 2 has a design fault in the curved edges: it is counter-functionalist design for something you read on. There are also some compromises intrinsic to a double-screened device, which you cannot open like a classic phone: expansion and SIM placed on the edges, internal battery.

But it is nice to have alternatives, and Onyx has already a foot in there, and I would be glad if they jumped in.

Originally Posted by eReader fan

@mdp If you don't like Yotaphone 3 for the lack of audio jack maybe you have to consider the hisense a2 pro

Sporting the ED052TC2, 213ppi. REALLY interesting. (Slightly OT: Have you located a high-res detail picture of the AMOLED screen? To be sure it's a 6 or 8 mega-dots screen instead of, say, a 4 mega-dots with fishnet effect. They say 1920x1080, but on AMOLED those pixels are very virtual - the effect could be much less than that.)

EDIT: unfortunately, again a curved edge, which is a cretin idea. How are you supposed to orient it to avoid light reflections?
Are they drunk when they design devices?

[Question Mark]

Originally Posted by mdp

unfortunately, again a curved edge, which is a cretin idea. How are you supposed to orient it to avoid light reflections?
Are they drunk when they design devices?

It certainly boggles the mind regarding some of the decisions that have been made. For most intended purposes, phones do not need to be aerodynamic.

[Waiting4somethin]

I would recommend Yotaphone 2, if you’re lucky enough to get one that doesn’t overheat and fail.

It can be flashed to a more recent android.
One of the bumper cases might help with the curve.
You could use otg to connect a small microsd adapter.

Not perfect, but most people don’t care about eink in a phone. If yotaphone 3 has a more reliable screen, I will buy as many of them as I can.

[Waiting4somethin]

Originally Posted by eReader fan

I am surprised reading you talking about features that from many years come with the eInk phones we have seen. Just take a look at Yotaphone 2 and see the 2 cameras, the flashlight and a good specs for a cheap phone nowadays.

@mdp If you don't like Yotaphone 3 for the lack of audio jack maybe you have to consider the hisense a2 pro

I read that the hisense refreshes the screen after some amount of updates, which would spoil the experience for me I imagine.

[mdp]

Originally Posted by Waiting4somethin

One of the bumper cases might help with the curve.

Yes, that's the idea: one matte screen above, one below, and a buffer around.
I think that should already be the kit...

Originally Posted by Waiting4somethin

You could use otg to connect a small microsd adapter. [...]
Not perfect, but most people don’t care about eink [was it meant to be audio jack?] in a phone.

I keep 200GB of video material on the phone... And that's already a selection. Lack of Micro-SD is a design fault.
Interpreting the telephone as a main device (always on, always close), maybe the others can be satellites, but a phone with limited storage capacity is severely crippled against its competitors.

Also, I use audio response as critical in some of my applications.
(Not to mention Telephony)

[eReader fan]

I read that the hisense refreshes the screen after some amount of updates, which would spoil the experience for me I imagine.

I hope it will be possible to root it and change a parameter to change it. The Yotaphone 2 (I have 2 of them). can play videos without any flashes. I expect the same for the Hisense a2 pro

Today I received a answer of Yotaphone to my question about if they have any news to start selling the Yotaphone on Europe. They almost just said "NO"

[eReader fan]

@Waitingforsomething In this 5 days ago video we can see the Hisense a2 pro while the two guys who are talking about it shows the selfie possibilitites with eInk and there no flashes on it

It even seems that the refreshing during normal eink use is better than the Yotaphone because it only refreshes the zones that the phone detects it's needed. With android 4 and 6 the screen refresh was in the whole screen in every movement, and with the android 6 it neves happend but losssing some definition and ontrast, making the google maps a little dificult to use

[Waiting4somethin]

I wish I had the time and energy to make more useful and informative posts here about these subjects, which are of great importance to me, but I can only quickly search and write my thoughts.

Originally Posted by eReader fan

@Waitingforsomething In this 5 days ago video we can see the Hisense a2 pro while the two guys who are talking about it shows the selfie possibilitites with eInk and there no flashes on it

It even seems that the refreshing during normal eink use is better than the Yotaphone because it only refreshes the zones that the phone detects it's needed. With android 4 and 6 the screen refresh was in the whole screen in every movement, and with the android 6 it neves happend but losssing some definition and ontrast, making the google maps a little dificult to use

I hope you’re right about normal flashing. I’m not really sure I understand you. My impression has been that there are full screen flashes in a2 mode, and I have not seen normal refresh mode as you describe it. I will search when I get the time.

All I can share is what I saw already about a2 mode. One redditor says:

“when using the e-ink screen it does a full screen refresh quite frequently. If this can be changed it was not immediately obvious how to do so. so every now and again what you are looking at will disappear for a moment. however it still responds to touches when it is blank for a second so you don't lose any typing or anything. I don't find it too bad - I got used to it quickly. maybe they will release a setting to change this as most of the time the refreshes do not seem to be necessary as there is rarely any ghosting on this screen..”

While a Russian YouTuber, on the other hand, said it was infrequent or rare (if YouTube translated correctly), and that was my impression from watching his video. Which makes it hard to gauge from watching other, shorter videos.

Im not sure about partial refreshing; the refreshes I’ve seen were full screen refreshes as I underlined in the quote above. And in that case, flashing is not acceptable to me. It’s a mind reset, an extra step. I don’t know what your intended use from the phone is, but I have started looking elsewhere than phones for my eink needs. There are some good android ereaders now, with bigger screens and the hardware is not quite so far behind as it was.

[mdp]

Originally Posted by Waiting4somethin

IMy impression has been that there are full screen flashes in a2 mode

Some developers add full screen refresh to A2 every n updates to clear ghosting. Any such implementation also requires a setting.

Onyx, for example, correctly put a setting for it. I cannot remember it in the user interface, but I have seen it read in the code (e.g. of the Monitor app).

[Waiting4somethin]

Originally Posted by mdp

Some developers add full screen refresh to A2 every n updates to clear ghosting. Any such implementation also requires a setting.

Onyx, for example, correctly put a setting for it. I cannot remember it in the user interface, but I have seen it read in the code (e.g. of the Monitor app).

That is good to know. I think user should have a button (or gesture) to refresh. Yotaphone 2 never refreshed during browsing for example which was fine.