Transplanting data base to Aura One!

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by mbovenka

No, it was my H2O, running 3.19.5761. After just copying my database failed, I haven't bothered trying anything else and just started over.

Any other suckers volunteers to try updating their old Kobo to 4.0 and then copying the database and data to their new Aura One?

[frostschutz]

Originally Posted by DNSB

updating their old Kobo to 4.0 and then copying the database

I'd be surprised if that matters.

The database update process should be the same. As far as I can tell, it checks the version number and then incrementally runs all the required update steps. If you factory reset your old Kobo Touch and copy a stone age version database over it should still be able to update it to the current version... that's the theory anyways.

But by all means, give it a try

Another thing you can try is ... directly powering off / rebooting the device instead of pulling the USB cable after copying stuff over & ejecting the device. In case the database update code only runs on bootup (which is what usually happens when you update firmware)... but somehow I don't think so, since so far replacing the databse through usb seems to have worked fine

[johnnyb]

Originally Posted by davidfor

Define "proper cloud services"? If you mean one that syncs non-purchased books, then I don't want it. I have no need and would be asking for an option to turn it off. And, I can easily move from one device to another.

Sometimes I really wonder what your problem is.
Have you ever used one of the cloud services from one of Kobo’s competitors, e.g. Amazon, Tolino, Pocketbook. They are all the same: Want to upload a book? Go ahead. Want to sideload? Just do that. Do sideloaded upload to the cloud automatically? Never (except in Pocketbook’s case *when* you enable that setting)!
I really don’t see you that is something that needs discussion. There is no causal link between offering cloud services and invading your privacy. It’s like saying that when you install Dropbox on your computer, they automatically know everything about every file on your computer (hint: they know only about files that you upload by moving them into your Dropbox folder).
The lack of offer such a service on Kobos is a missing feature plain and simple (but perhaps forgivable considering that they haven’t even managed syncing of annotations made in bought books). And a feature that most every major competitor offers (and people who do not want to use it just don’t have to).

[compurandom]

Originally Posted by johnnyb

Sometimes I really wonder what your problem is.

The problem is that I have a large side loaded book library, and I just don't want or need some third party scanning my whole library and saving it in the cloud. When Adobe Digital Editions did this, I was first annoyed that it was taking 10 minutes to load a single book (before I aborted it), and then horrified when I read online that they actually upload that list to their servers, and worse, do it unencrypted.

I don't care how nice _you_ think it is. I'm annoyed by the "convenience" of the delay of the scan process, and it just isn't necessary for them to know what is in my library.

The lack of offer such a service on Kobos is a missing feature plain and simple

Sorry, can't agree at all. If I side load the books, I have no problem side loading the synchronization of them too. If I wanted to put all my books in the cloud and allow the cloud provider to delete books for me when they felt like it, I would have bought a kindle. That's pretty plain and simple.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by johnnyb

Sometimes I really wonder what your problem is.
Have you ever used one of the cloud services from one of Kobo’s competitors, e.g. Amazon, Tolino, Pocketbook. They are all the same: Want to upload a book? Go ahead. Want to sideload? Just do that. Do sideloaded upload to the cloud automatically? Never (except in Pocketbook’s case *when* you enable that setting)!
I really don’t see you that is something that needs discussion. There is no causal link between offering cloud services and invading your privacy. It’s like saying that when you install Dropbox on your computer, they automatically know everything about every file on your computer (hint: they know only about files that you upload by moving them into your Dropbox folder).
The lack of offer such a service on Kobos is a missing feature plain and simple (but perhaps forgivable considering that they haven’t even managed syncing of annotations made in bought books). And a feature that most every major competitor offers (and people who do not want to use it just don’t have to).

Is there really a need to start this with a statement that can only be taken as insult? You don't know me, I don't know you. You made a statement, and I asked a question about the term you used. I then gave my opinion of what that I thought the term meant. It's perfectly reasonable for you to come back and tell me I am wrong, and that you meant something different. But, there is absolutely no need to be insulting about it.

Of course, you have come back and told me I am wrong. But, I'm not, am I? One in three of the ereaders that offer a cloud service does what I described - synced sideloaded books. With the option that I wanted, so that's good, but I bet it's enabled by default. That does mean that my suggestion as to what "proper cloud services" meant isn't absurd.

So you can see why I asked what you meant by that term, can't you?

Now, your original comment plus your description above doesn't actually help in this thread. If Kobo offered "proper cloud services", it would only help the OP if they had opted into that function. It helps in no way if they opted out and did sideload all their books.

As to syncing annotations, mine are syncing perfectly between my devices, so I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here.

[JSWolf]

Cloud services would not work the way that's wanted. All the cloud services would do it is allow syncing of the reading positions and annotations/highlights/bookmarks. The reading stats would not get highlighted and would not transfer over to a new device. So that would not work.

[johnnyb]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Cloud services would not work the way that's wanted. All the cloud services would do it is allow syncing of the reading positions and annotations/highlights/bookmarks. The reading stats would not get highlighted and would not transfer over to a new device. So that would not work.

Only if Kobo does not implement that feature. There is really nothing stopping them.

Originally Posted by compurandom

The problem is that I have a large side loaded book library, and I just don't want or need some third party scanning my whole library and saving it in the cloud.

Did you actually read my post? There is absolutely nothing stopping Kobo from doing it like Amazon, Tolino or Pocketbook and make the cloud service optional. No cloud service enabled? No scanning your whole library and saving it to the cloud.

Originally Posted by davidfor

One in three of the ereaders that offer a cloud service does what I described - synced sideloaded books. With the option that I wanted, so that's good, but I bet it's enabled by default. That does mean that my suggestion as to what "proper cloud services" meant isn't absurd.

Actually, if you are talking about Pocketbook or Tolino: On both systems, the cloud service is not enabled by default and needs separate registration. Upon enabling it, you have to scan your library. After that, Pocketbooks automatically uploads books added to the device, Tolino upon request.
And even if that weren’t the case: There is absolutely nothing stopping Kobo from doing just that: Offering a cloud service that gives users the choice. Those that want max privacy can entirely refrain from using it, while others who do not want to jump through all the hoops of saving their status and annotations to a computer (and feel safer saving to the cloud, for example, on vacation, where there’s no computer around) are offered an easy solution.
Of course, offering such a solution means that the manufacturer of the device has to be comfortable with 1. writing stable code that allows such a service to function properly (Kobo perhaps isn’t) and 2. that users will still spend most of their money on the manufacturer‘s built in store, even though they are given the choice while not losing the convenience (Kobo perhaps isn’t).

To all of you protesting: Only because “cloud service” could imply to mean “total invasion of privacy” does not mean that it necessarily has to be so. It could also simply be a convenient tool to conserve work and time put into reading and making it easy to switch models.

[jackastor]

Guys, can we please be civil here. Your all allowed an opinion and no matter what if someone disagrees it's their opinion. At the end of the day try to disagree politely.

Regards

Jack

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by johnnyb

Only if Kobo does not implement that feature. There is really nothing stopping them.

Did you actually read my post? There is absolutely nothing stopping Kobo from doing it like Amazon, Tolino or Pocketbook and make the cloud service optional. No cloud service enabled? No scanning your whole library and saving it to the cloud.

Actually, if you are talking about Pocketbook or Tolino: On both systems, the cloud service is not enabled by default and needs separate registration. Upon enabling it, you have to scan your library. After that, Pocketbooks automatically uploads books added to the device, Tolino upon request.

As I stated elsewhere in my post I was talking about Pocketbook. Firstly, I am surprised the service is not enabled by default. The tendency is for these sort of things to be on by default. Or maybe I should say that the tendency is to turn everything on and let the user turn off what they don't want.

The interesting thing I find here is that in my original post, I made suggestion about how "proper cloud services" worked. You came back and told me I was wrong and it was more limited than that, but did mention that one of the three devices did work the way I suggested. Now I find that two of the three work that way. And to be clear, what I said was to sync the sideloaded books via the cloud. You were quite insulting in the way you told me that isn't the way it worked. But you added an aside that one of them did. Now you tell me that two of the devices are syncing sideloaded books. You are justifying your statement a bit by saying it is opt-in for both and not automatic on one of them, but go back to what I originally said. I was very simplistic in my description and asked for an option. And yes, I assumed it would be opt-out rather than opt-on. I actually don't have a hassle with that as long as it is clear and I get the choice early. The thing here is that from what you have described, my statements fits two of those "proper cloud services"

And even if that weren’t the case: There is absolutely nothing stopping Kobo from doing just that: Offering a cloud service that gives users the choice. Those that want max privacy can entirely refrain from using it, while others who do not want to jump through all the hoops of saving their status and annotations to a computer (and feel safer saving to the cloud, for example, on vacation, where there’s no computer around) are offered an easy solution.
Of course, offering such a solution means that the manufacturer of the device has to be comfortable with 1. writing stable code that allows such a service to function properly (Kobo perhaps isn’t) and 2. that users will still spend most of their money on the manufacturer‘s built in store, even though they are given the choice while not losing the convenience (Kobo perhaps isn’t).

To all of you protesting: Only because “cloud service” could imply to mean “total invasion of privacy” does not mean that it necessarily has to be so. It could also simply be a convenient tool to conserve work and time put into reading and making it easy to switch models.

You have concentrated on my first post and my response to yours. But, you missed another post where I stated the I have no interest in Kobo adding a cloud sync for non-Kobo sourced books, because I have no interest in using that function. Yes, part of it is privacy considerations, but most of it is because I have ABSOLUTELY NO need for it.

Let me state my real position:

I do not want Kobo to develop a sync service for non-Kobo sourced books because I want them to spend their time improving my reading experience and the other parts of the software that I use.

Yes, that is a totally selfish attitude. And I am completely happy to admit to it. In fact, I have never claimed not to be a selfish bastard. But, I am willing to accept that other people have other opinions of what is important. And, more importantly, that Kobo have their own opinion of what is important in their product.

And of course, Kobo could add "proper cloud services". You can go ahead and be insulting to them about the reason. But, a far more likely is that they don't think it is important to them and their customers. And, as I stated in one of my posts, there might be legal barriers making it undesirable. Of course, Kobo would be the ones defining what "proper cloud services" meant, so maybe they consider they already do offer them. Or, they see not offering them as a differentiator to the alternative products.


@Jackastor: My apologies for the hijacking of your thread. And especially if my posts are rude in any way. I tried to keep a civil tongue, but I won't be surprised if something slipped through.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

Let me state my real position:

I do not want Kobo to develop a sync service for non-Kobo sourced books because I want them to spend their time improving my reading experience and the other parts of the software that I use.

Yes, that is a totally selfish attitude. And I am completely happy to admit to it. In fact, I have never claimed not to be a selfish

it's nice to know we have one thing in common, many people are selfish although not all of them would readily admit it.


best wishes koboy

[johnnyb]

Originally Posted by koboy

it's nice to know we have one thing in common, many people are selfish although not all of them would readily admit it.


best wishes koboy

You should make that „Quote and post“ your signature

[koboy]

Originally Posted by johnnyb

You should make that „Quote and post“ your signature

thanks, that's a good idea (i think)

best wishes koboy