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![]() Looking at trends in statistics and making inferences is done in many businesses every single day. It's a perfectly legitimate thing to do. And it's certainly more data than you've provided supporting your position. Besides, I was only doing what you said "at best" I'd "need" to do. If you don't want to see a correlation, then don't tell me that's what I need to find. Last edited by kad032000; 04-23-2009 at 10:24 AM. |
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I don't think the stats on one release are enough to show a correlation in the entire industry, and I don't think a correlation in the entire industry is enough to show a causation. |
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I refuted this by saying that 1 download does not equal one lost sale. I gave an example from the movie industry. Regardless of the example, judges in America have supported the fact that 1 download = 1 lost sale is a fallacy. In fact, as Kovid pointed out earlier, 1 download does not even necessarily mean .001 lost sales. The impact may be zero, or may in fact even be negative. Quote:
I gave you reasons showing that if ebook piracy grows, that doesn't necessarily mean it will have a more harmful impact. No, no one can be 100% sure until it happens, but now everyone considering this argument has more reason to believe me than you. In fact, you yourself have more reason to believe me than you. Now you're saying my examples don't mean anything? Even if my example was completely irrelevant, then no one would know anything and you shouldn't be making blanket statements like: Last edited by kad032000; 04-23-2009 at 11:52 AM. Reason: added emphasis |
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Would you if "crime" had no negative impact on your belongings? What if someone could come in your house and copy all of belongings and take them home with them. What if that person could do so without having to invade the privacy of your home?
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Yes, sirbruce, you started off by saying that piracy will have a negative impact on ebook sales. I said there's no evidence of this. I then gave you an example of why it may in fact be the opposite. You said my evidence wasn't enough. My original point still stands: you have no proof that piracy will have a negative impact so you shouldn't make blanket statements that it will.
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That's not my position, that's me feeling, and I painted a "Dan Brown" scenario as to how that might occur. Neither side has enough data to be "certain" of anything and probably won't until we get there.
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I never said they don't mean anything; I said they're not persuasive. This is a discussion, not a debate. That wasn't a statement of what *will* happen, but a statement of what I *believe* could happen. The fact you are more certain in your convictions that ebook piracy isn't a problem and I am not does not make you any more right. I find your examples unpersuasive; I find my reasoning much more likely. |
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No data stating "piracy is bad", therefor no reason to "do anything against it." I countered if there's no data stating "crime (specifically burglary) is bad", therefor no reason to "do anything about it" by the same logic. But I still lock my door; I still "do something about it" so I reject your logic. Still, we all have our pet beliefs, or at least suspiscions. I suspect NSAIDs to increased risk of MIs and tell people so, even though the data is still inconclusive. (Well, it's conclusive in one study, but more studies are needed.) |
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If I have the time, I'll try to find evidence that even though piracy is increasing, so are overall movie sales/rentals. Quote:
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I wouldn't mind, but other people would. Nevertheless, I do not believe ebook piracy has no negative impact on my belongings, nor would I fault other people for locking their doors needlessly or misguidedly. (I'd add "or refuse to enter their homes" but the analogy starts to break down here.)
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