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Old 06-15-2010, 10:16 PM   #226
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I'd say insane TBH. I'm glad we have the big boys in the game to help keep prices a lot more reasonable when possible.
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In all my years I have never put anyone on ignore in a forum but now I have. I really only post in the Apple devices forum here anyway anymore, and Kennyc has a history of hassling people in this forum. I just don't see the point.... So Kenny, get your last word.... I'll never see it
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Old 06-15-2010, 10:27 PM   #228
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Yes, we've had multimedia for a long time already. But the iPad is the first truly portable device to bring multimedia out of the desktop age and into the portable age. You don't have to like the iPad, but it is changing the game. It's got a decent battery life, a touch interface that is very nice, it's good size without being too large. It's not heavy, Does multimedia well. For the average person who's not all that computer literate, it's easy to use.

As a reader, it works pretty well. With the new Kindle App and the new iBooks and (I hope) The forthcoming Overdrive App, the iPad will be a pretty good reader. One feature I would love to see from these reader apps is an option to turn off 3G/wifi as a setting while you have a book open. That would then increase the amount of battery you have while reading.

I know there are some of you who do no like reading on an LCD screen. But you do read on an LCD screen. Most likely you are reading MR with an LCD screen. I see no difference reading MR on an LCD screen then I do reading a book. The iPad gives the freedom to read away from a fixed position. And if you decide you want to stop reading and browse MR some, you can without being tethered to a desktop or laptop. The iPad gives more freedom then any other device out there. Is it perfect? No, far from it. Can it be better, sure it can. IMHO, there's a lot of innovation going on getting the iPad to do what Apple's not allowing it to do. Just look at what's going on in the Jailbreaking scene and you'll see what I mean.

The iPad is expensive. Why? Because there's nothing out there that can compete with it. Android is the competitor in terms of the OS. But there are no Android pads out there that are decent. What's out there is cheap junk. Maybe sometime we'll have a good Android based pad, but or now, the ipad is what we have and there's nothing better.
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No, the 600 is not eReader. eReader is not what the 600 is. Please use the term eReader correctly.
really then? what would you call the sony reader touch (600)? i certainly would not call it a multi-media tablet. the primary function of the device is to read ebooks. therefore it is an ereader.


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Like you can carry an iPad in your pocket.

To be honest, an iPad is a bit larger to carry around like you would a 6" eink reader. That's why if I ever bought an iPad or anything similar, I would still keep my 505. My 505 is a lot more portable and less chance of it getting stolen at some T station/bus stop (local public transportation). Even iPhones/Touches are more likely to get stolen them my 505.
Ah. So you don't have an iPad after all. Well yes, it's likely an iPhone is a higher target for a thief. Just as a BMW is a higher target than a VW Bug. The market for a hot 505 is, pretty low, I'd think. Doesn't make your 505 any better than the iPhone.

Ok, my iPad won't fit in a pocket, but it will easily fit in a backpack, something you still won't be doing with that 102" display you mentioned earlier.

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In all my years I have never put anyone on ignore in a forum but now I have. I really only post in the Apple devices forum here anyway anymore, and Kennyc has a history of hassling people in this forum. I just don't see the point.... So Kenny, get your last word.... I'll never see it
it's sad that pretty much the same individuals cause trouble time and time again and the only solution is to put the person on ignore.. bremen, i do hope you stick around and not drop out again, you're one of the good folk on here.
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it's sad that pretty much the same individuals cause trouble time and time again and the only solution is to put the person on ignore.. bremen, i do hope you stick around and not drop out again, you're one of the good folk on here.
It is sad, and to be honest, disappointing. But, so be it....

And thank you for the kind words!
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Old 06-15-2010, 10:54 PM   #232
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really then? what would you call the sony reader touch (600)? i certainly would not call it a multi-media tablet. the primary function of the device is to read ebooks. therefore it is an ereader.
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No, not "reader", but "ereader". Jon's particular bugbear is use of the latter term, which is a format/software/trademark. Probably best to move on though, lest that sidetrack the discussion.

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Of course it is, along with everyone else.
I meant that what you want is irrelevant to where technology will progress and what artists will do with emerging technologies. I didn't mean that your opinion is worthless.


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The cost/benefit/sale ratio is too low for "publishers" to invest in.
There may be some done for the art, but as far as mainstream, don't hold your breath.
It won't cost a lot for a publisher to add background music to a book or for a publisher that sells books with CDs on how to speak French. You can already buy plenty of books with DVD-ROMs and downloadable content. Cost is not a barrier, especially when customers will likely be willing to pay more for the extra content. Like the physical paper of a traditional book, multimedia aspects might create an inherent sense of value that people often don't see in e-books (just look at all the posts on this site that consider $10 too much to pay for an ebook).
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really then? what would you call the sony reader touch (600)? i certainly would not call it a multi-media tablet. the primary function of the device is to read ebooks. therefore it is an ereader.
The 600 is not an eReader. It is a Reader. eReader refers to software to handle eReader format eBooks. eReader does not refer to hardware at all. eReader is digital bits only.

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Ah. So you don't have an iPad after all. Well yes, it's likely an iPhone is a higher target for a thief. Just as a BMW is a higher target than a VW Bug. The market for a hot 505 is, pretty low, I'd think. Doesn't make your 505 any better than the iPhone.
My 505 is a better device for straight reading then an iPhone. So yes, in that case, it is a better choice. Sure, I can read using an iPhone, but I do prefer my 505.

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Ok, my iPad won't fit in a pocket, but it will easily fit in a backpack, something you still won't be doing with that 102" display you mentioned earlier.
I didn't bring up the 102" screen.
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I know there are some of you who do no like reading on an LCD screen. But you do read on an LCD screen. Most likely you are reading MR with an LCD screen. I see no difference reading MR on an LCD screen then I do reading a book.
This has been discussed to death. For me (and others like me) there is a huge difference between reading small bits of text on an LCD monitor and doing serious, concentrated reading for long periods of time.

I spend all day at work looking at LCD screens, and a great deal of my leisure time as well. But I just can't read anything more than a few hundred words at a time on LCD without feeling uncomfortable. I've been reading this forum for the last 15 minutes and when I look away my eyes relax. They don't need to with e-ink.

I'm sick of people comparing book reading to browsing the web and checking email. If LCD works for you that's great. But it doesn't work for everyone, and long-form reading is a very different activity to reading relatively small pieces of text in between looking at pictures and interacting with the mouse, etc.
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The 600 is not an eReader. It is a Reader. eReader refers to software to handle eReader format eBooks. eReader does not refer to hardware at all. eReader is digital bits only.
you have your preference in terminology, i have mine. shrug. montsnmags pointed out your preference on the term. ereader is on its way to becoming a generic term in the general public.

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My 505 is a better device for straight reading then an iPhone. So yes, in that case, it is a better choice. Sure, I can read using an iPhone, but I do prefer my 505.
it is a better choice for you, not necessarily for someone else. as far as i know, you don't own an iphone either, so you aren't really capable of making judgment calls on an iphone's uses, and again they would be your opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
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This has been discussed to death. For me (and others like me) there is a huge difference between reading small bits of text on an LCD monitor and doing serious, concentrated reading for long periods of time.
Do you have an iPad -- do you know what you are talking about? I can't stand reading long form on my laptop or any computer monitor. I can read for hours and hours on my iPad with no eyestrain whatsoever. I've finished 11 books so far -- reading with the iBooks app (my favorite), the kindle app and Stanza.

We have all this testimony now -- not theory -- of people quite happily reading away on their iPad.

Do some folks not like it? Yes. Just like SOME folks don't like eInk screens.

So "for you and others like you" -- you need to actually TRY it to know. You do not know based only on your experience reading on a computer monitor.

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The multimedia capabilities have been around for a long time, so why will interactive stuff catch on now?
Simply because the technology has advanced to a point where it is easier, more accessible, and cheaper to do.

Someone mentioned multimedia CD-ROMs. I remember about 15 years ago when I got Microsoft's Cinemania CD-ROM. I thought it was the coolest thing ever. This was before most people had the Internet and when multimedia meant text, a few images, and about 15 short, low-resolution video clips. Now I can get better multimedia on my phone (in fact my phone has a higher screen resolution than probably any PC monitor I had up until a few years ago).

Until recently a multimedia book could only really exist on a PC. Even tablet PCs until recently were pretty crap for multimedia - size, technical limitations, battery power, etc.

The iPad (and the plethora of devices with a similar form factor) and the Kindle (et. al.) have put devices in our hands that have as much power as a PC had a few years ago. The capacitive touch screen has made touch control very popular, and removes barriers to multimedia manipulation. Battery technology has advanced enough that the iPad gets a solid 10 hours of use between charges. The Kindle has put portable electronic reading into the public consciousness. Smartphones have popularised portable computing and media use.

The line between mobile apps and books has already started to blur (the previously mentioned Alice in Wonderland app/book, the iPad periodic table app/text book thing, etc.).

Reading on PCs never took off because of their form factor. The Kindle is what effectively started people reading electronically in numbers. Now the renewed interest in tablets and mobile apps will cause authors and artists to find new ways to use the capabilities we can hold in our hands to create new hybrids and forms of media.

Perhaps one day people will think of text-only books as most people today think of black-and-white silent films.
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you have your preference in terminology, i have mine. shrug. montsnmags pointed out your preference on the term. ereader is on its way to becoming a generic term in the general public.
I prefer to use the term eReader properly, you prefer to use the term eReader improperly. Your loss for not wanting to use a word in a way that is not how it is defined.

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it is a better choice for you, not necessarily for someone else. as far as i know, you don't own an iphone either, so you aren't really capable of making judgment calls on an iphone's uses, and again they would be your opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
I have used an iPod Touch for reading. So yes, I do have experience with both types of screens. I would think most (IMHO) would find a 6" eink screen easier to use to read with then the iPhone (pre-iPhone 4) screen. But the iPad is different and I can easily see people preferring that to a 6" eink screen.
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In support of Leebase above, there really is a difference between the average monitor screen, and the iPad screen. I am sure there are $1000 monitors that can look really good, but most folks have a run of the mill Samsung or whatever, and there is a difference.

If you want an eye strain, try being an early adapter to ebook mobile reading like I was. Reading on a true vanilla LCD screen on a Palm Pilot......
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