Amazon removed books from my Kindle

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Originally Posted by DNSB

If and only if they can prove that I did not legitimately obtain the ebook from another source, could such removal be possibly justified. The content wiped from my Kindle was from Kobo, Baen, SmashWords, Gutenberg, Standard Ebooks plus a few books that I had worked on and not removed from my Kindle. If I did not have them in my calibre library, I damn well would have screamed more loudly than just reporting the issue to Amazon.

My personal opinion is more on the lines of Hanlon's razor.

I fully understand your point of view.

I had a Kobo before for a number of years, so all my ebooks are in the ePub format. If they were to be missing from my Kindle, I would scratched my head hard. I haven't noticed yet if it ever happened to me. I tend to delete books I don't like.

I'm trying to understand why it can happen. So far, people are mostly pointing to wifi being off, and a synch problem. Could be. But then, it should happen with any ebooks on the Kindle, not only sideloaded one ?

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by Claude_C

Simple. Amazon wants people to buy their ebooks on their store. If you have an ebook on your device that is trying to mimic one of them, maybe they have a policy to erase such a steel.

Who is going to complain to Amazon for erasing ebooks they "found" on the internet?

It's just a theory.

It's a poor theory.
There are for a start maybe 1000s of Public Domain texts published on Amazon.
Also Amazon have sold ebooks that the 'publisher' didn't have the rights for.
They've already promised after the Orwell debacle never to remotely remove books they sold that subsequently they discovered they shouldn't. They are not going to deliberately remove other people's content no matter how obtained.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by Claude_C

But then, it should happen with any ebooks on the Kindle, not only sideloaded one ?

That doesn't follow at all.

How do you know they aren't reloading or leaving alone ebooks on the Amazon 'My Content'?

We don't know why this is happening exactly.

[John F]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Sadly the post you referenced in that message was not the one you quoted in your reply to my message and it was obvious from the reference to Jon in your post that you meant to quote the message you quoted.

The relevant portion of your post was:





And as I said, if we can find even one person outside of @Quoth and @JSWolf who use sideloading as their only method of transferring content to their Kindle and do not make use of WiFi, your statement is false.

Considering the number of posts from people who do not ever want to connect their Kindle to a WiFi network....

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to quote posts over over and to make sure you get the flow of my post/thread. If you don't follow all the posts, you will misinterpret my posts.

[JSWolf]

Some do side-load and use WiFi. Some of those users keep WiFi on. Some of those users do not unless they want to use WiFi.

So what do those that do not keep WiFi on do when they find content removed?

I'm waiting a week to turn WiFi back on. I'm going sync and leave WiFi on for a few hours and see what happens. If nothing gets removed I'll wait two weeks and try again. I want to know how long (roughly) WiFi has to be off before eBooks get removed.

I know when I did keep WiFi on while charging, the UI changed, I don't know if the firmware updated or new features were enabled.

My problem was I didn't take note what was on the PW3 so I could not say what got removed. This time I put 7 books from one author converted via calibre, 7 books converted via Kindlegen as Mobi, and the Mobi books converted with Kindlegen were split using KindleUnpack and sent as KF8. So if anything gets removed, I'll see what gets removed and home something can be done with calibre to fix the problem depending what gets removed and what does not unless it all goes.

[j.p.s]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I'm waiting a week to turn WiFi back on. I'm going sync and leave WiFi on for a few hours and see what happens. If nothing gets removed I'll wait two weeks and try again. I want to know how long (roughly) WiFi has to be off before eBooks get removed.

Clock drift rate under identical conditions will vary among individual kindles and probaly among kindle models. On top of that, the moving average temperarure history experienced by each kindle will vary.

It is an exercise in futility to try to predict a time duration of airplane mode needed to trigger book deletion that applies to all kindles, if these deletions are being caused by clock drift.

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Originally Posted by Quoth

We don't know why this is happening exactly.

Why are you telling people they're wrong, then?

Who made you boss?

I noticed many here don't want to discuss or find out why it can happen.

The topic should be close. Nothing good is going on here.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Claude_C

Why are you telling people they're wrong, then?

Who made you boss?

I noticed many here don't want to discuss or find out why it can happen.

The topic should be close. Nothing good is going on here.

Some do want to find out what's going on. I think more will want to know when it happens to them.

[Hittsy]

Originally Posted by j.p.s

Clock drift rate under identical conditions will vary among individual kindles and probaly among kindle models. On top of that, the moving average temperarure history experienced by each kindle will vary.

It is an exercise in futility to try to predict a time duration of airplane mode needed to trigger book deletion that applies to all kindles, if these deletions are being caused by clock drift.

Shouldn't you be able to to manually induce this by draining a kindle's battery, to the point where it's RTC cannot run, before plugging it back in?

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I'm waiting a week to turn WiFi back on. I'm going sync and leave WiFi on for a few hours and see what happens. If nothing gets removed I'll wait two weeks and try again. I want to know how long (roughly) WiFi has to be off before eBooks get removed.

It might be easier for you to run the kindle until it's battery is dead and it forcibly shuts off, then wait a few days (for the battery voltage to drop below what the RTC requires), and plug it in. If the system clock is no longer correct (provided you had set it correctly prior), then you've induced a drift.

This does wear out the kindle's battery, but considering some people who experience this have their kindles disconnected for months, it should be more quickly reproducible.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by John F

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to quote posts over over and to make sure you get the flow of my post/thread. If you don't follow all the posts, you will misinterpret my posts.

Sorry, John but I'm not going to go back and re-read the whole thread just in case you screwed up a quote. I quoted your message and the message you quoted from and your response is to say that you meant to refer to a quote from another message and so I was wrong in what I wrote. Bugger that for a game of soldiers.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Claude_C

I noticed many here don't want to discuss or find out why it can happen.

Consider the title of the thread is "Amazon removed books from my Kindle"? That several posters including me have had that happen to them? And please note that the books on my Kindle were legitimately obtained from sites other than Amazon.

Originally Posted by Claude_C

The topic should be close. Nothing good is going on here.

Perhaps you should be suggesting that anyone not interested in the topic of this thread should go enjoy themselves in a different thread and stop acting as apologists for Amazon in this thread.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by Hittsy

It might be easier for you to run the kindle until it's battery is dead and it forcibly shuts off, then wait a few days (for the battery voltage to drop below what the RTC requires), and plug it in. If the system clock is no longer correct (provided you had set it correctly prior), then you've induced a drift.

This does wear out the kindle's battery, but considering some people who experience this have their kindles disconnected for months, it should be more quickly reproducible.

That usually sets it to 1970 and then nothing works till the time is set via WiFi or Cell/Mobile.
I don't think that's a realistic test.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by Claude_C

Why are you telling people they're wrong, then?

Who made you boss?

I noticed many here don't want to discuss or find out why it can happen.

The topic should be close. Nothing good is going on here.

Why are you telling us to shut up?

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Claude_C

Simple. Amazon wants people to buy their ebooks on their store. If you have an ebook on your device that is trying to mimic one of them, maybe they have a policy to erase such a steel.

Who is going to complain to Amazon for erasing ebooks they "found" on the internet?

Originally Posted by Quoth

Why are you telling us to shut up?

I think his message I quoted above with such keywords as "erase such a steel" (is Claude_C perhaps a francophone Canadian?) and '"found" on the internet' suggests that his opinion leans toward this only applying to pirated ebooks.

I wonder if he considers books downloaded from PD sites such as Gutenberg as "found" on the internet?

Perhaps apologist is the word I'm looking for?

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