Do you own more than 1 ereader?

[barryem]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

Where did you hear that? You can drive naked if you want. Now if someone finds that offensive, you can get an indecent exposure charge.

You may not be able to walk into a McDonald's in bare feet, but you can drive there without shoes. Driving a car barefoot is legal in all 50 states.
http://m.nasdaq.com/article/is-baref...legal-cm246451

I'd heard that all my life and it seems that it's myth. I'll try to also learn from my mistakes.

Drat! I finally let my drivers license expire because of my age and because I drive so seldom. Otherwise I could borrow a car and do some barefoot driving, something I'd always thought I couldn't do. And now that I find out I can, I can't!

Barry

[barryem]

Originally Posted by wandalynn

You'd never make it to your car barefoot in AZ. And most months you can't drive without oven mitts either.

When I was in college I couldn't easily afford shoes so to preserve them for the times I really needed them I went barefoot most of the time. My feet developed thick calluses and I was able to walk in reasonable comfort on gravel or even on hot pavement as long as I stepped onto the grass now and then when my feet started getting too hot.

This was in Houston, Texas, which probably doesn't get as hot as Arizona but is known for it's hot summers.

Barry

[barryem]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

The benefits of an eink ereader come with cons as well. There is for example: Slow fragile display, only black and white, horrible implementation of browsing or pdf support.

I'm not sure ereader displays are significantly more fragile than tablet displays and since ereaders are a lot lighter they're probably less prone to breaking the display if it's dropped.

Slower displays don't really matter when it comes to reading. Turning a page is faster on my my Nook 3, which is probably my slowest ereader, than on any paper book. I can't imagine anyone complaining how long it takes to turn the page of a paper book except possibly on the last page of a novel with a really exciting ending.

As for black and white I see that as an advantage for most readers. I suspect the vast majority of ereader users use them for novels and color displays would probably provide some drawbacks.

Browsing and PDF support aren't qualities one looks for in an ereader. For that you need a tablet. Just as you wouldn't use an ereader for walking through gravel or hot pavement, you'd use shoes.

Barry (aka the smartass)

[barryem]

Originally Posted by GlenBarrington

What parts of Texas aren't like that? Especially in July/August? This Illinois boy stays out of Texas mid summer! Spring and Fall are quite lovely though.

That's exactly why Texas keeps it hot!

Barry

[AnotherCat]

Originally Posted by barryem

I'm not sure ereader displays are significantly more fragile than tablet displays and since ereaders are a lot lighter they're probably less prone to breaking the display if it's dropped.

By nature of their display construction and the low resistance to torsion of the chassis, ereaders are far less robust than tablets.

The E Ink display is both thin and part of that is its fluid like contents, it is naturally both fragile and weak in torsion. A tablet will have a thick glass panel and that panel is strong enough to provide both good torsional stiffness (try twisting an ereader carefully!, and then a tablet roughly) and resistance to impact. The glass panel accounts for much of the weight difference.

Quite a number of tablets also use Corning's Gorilla glass for their panels (the widely used Samsung Tab A, is just one example) and evidence of its resistance to damage from scratching or dropping can be seen in the many online videos of destructive tests of phones using the same glass.

In dropping I suspect that a heavy tablet may be more prone to cosmetic damage to the panel surround but way less prone to display damage. Maybe there are some drop test comparison videos around, I have not looked?

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by Cinisajoy

You forgot elbow through screen. I read that one here.

You forgot stepping on it. And the dog chewed on the case. How we lost our Voyages.

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by barryem

As for black and white I see that as an advantage for most readers. I suspect the vast majority of ereader users use them for novels and color displays would probably provide some drawbacks.

Cause and effect is backwards. Because it is only black and white results in the vast majority of ereader users to read mainly novels.

[AnotherCat]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Cause and effect is backwards. Because it is only black and white results in the vast majority of ereader users to read mainly novels.

I think that is likely correct as LCD displays can display black and white (and greyscale) better than E Ink (and do color too ).

So an E Ink display device user is pretty much stuck with non-color illustrated novels whether they like it or not. Or put up reading the likes of Isaacson's recent "Leonardo da Vinci" and enjoying (sic ) the discussion about the Mona Lisa's details (for example) in not very well rendered greyscale.

{Why better than E Ink for black and white? One reason is LCD has orders of magnitude better contrast than E Ink (and AMOLED even more again - AMOLED contrast is effectively infinite).}.

[Alohamora]

Originally Posted by barryem

Slower displays don't really matter when it comes to reading. Turning a page is faster on my my Nook 3, which is probably my slowest ereader, than on any paper book. I can't imagine anyone complaining how long it takes to turn the page of a paper book except possibly on the last page of a novel with a really exciting ending.

Display speed matters to me when I'm scrolling through my cloud library list and when I'm using page flip to go back or forward to some other section.

[Sirtel]

Well, it's pretty clear that there are basically three types of users - those who love e-ink and never read on anything else, those who dislike e-ink and dedicated e-readers (or just are indifferent enough to not bother to use one), and those who read on both e-ink and LCD. The first and the second type never ever agree on this topic, so any arguments as to which is the better medium for reading quickly become pointless back-and-forth. We just have to agree to disagree.

Yes, e-ink screens are inferior to LCD/AMOLED screens in most aspects. Still, there is a substantial number of people who prefer them for reading, so they must offer something that other types of screens don't, at least to those people, at least not yet. What that something exactly is, now that's not so easy to define. I've tried to read on my phone, for example, but I just don't like it. I can't even say why. It's not the screen size or resolution, it's something much more subjective. All I know is that I like to read on e-ink far more.

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Cause and effect is backwards. Because it is only black and white results in the vast majority of ereader users to read mainly novels.

Yeah, that's it.

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by Alohamora

Display speed matters to me when I'm scrolling through my cloud library list and when I'm using page flip to go back or forward to some other section.

I've got 27 pages of archived books displaying in my Kindle Keyboard and (using my Blackberry Q10 Clock App as a stopwatch) it took me 33.4 seconds to click my way from page 1 to 27. How fast does it need to be?

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Well, it's pretty clear that there are basically three types of users - ...

I actually use my Blackberry Q10 when I want to read and I'm away from home. But I almost never use my Fire tablet for reading. It's just too clunky and heavy and I find myself squinting when I use it for reading. That doesn't happen on the eReaders (or even on the Blackberry, even though it's screen is tiny).

[HLS]

Even tho I do not need it I purchased the basic Kindle to have at work, i still do not like taking the expensive one out of the house so now I own: Kindle, kindle Oasis 2, B&N Glowlight Plus, Glowlight 3. Also read on my iPad 2017, Samsung Galaxy 8+

[AnotherCat]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

...Yes, e-ink screens are inferior to LCD/AMOLED screens in most aspects. Still, there is a substantial number of people who prefer them for reading, so they must offer something that other types of screens don't, at least to those people, at least not yet. What that something exactly is, now that's not so easy to define...

My personal observation is there is a comfort thing in the manner of the "something" being a comfort blanket substitute for a paper book. One can settle down with an ereader which can do nothing else than allow reading, just like a cozy book which can also do nothing else. "I am absorbed in my interest and it feels great".

But when in public perhaps with flavors of comfort from the silent announcement of "I am a dedicated reader of books, having my ereader shows that is so", with the hoped silent reaction of "Oh, he is a reader of books" (Or from those of us familiar with the constraints of E Ink's abilities "Oh, he is a reader of fiction").

I too sensed that a little when I used to use an ereader or read a paper book in public . Of course, ereaders (and tablets too) cannot deliver the very comforting to some image that having a big paper book in hand delivers in public - the silent from others "Oooooh look, he is a real keen reader, must be clever because look at that big book".

Of course, overlaid over these "comfort" things is hopefully the enjoyment of the book itself; however I do know people who carry books to impress but not read, perhaps some pretend to use ereaders for the same reason?

Whereas use of a tablet demonstrates nothing. Its a job machine and one could be doing several of many different jobs all at once, so much less of a comfort effect. To others in public observing ones tablet use there are no comforting assumptions able to made about you apart from "He is using a tablet".

As far as they know one may be working on a spreadsheet, watching a porn video, surfing the internet, writing or reading emails, writing a report, etc. or perhaps reading a book. Perhaps even writing a book. It may be that one just uses a tablet only for reading, but they do not know that. The only image projected is that one is using a tablet for something or another and who cares.

When in public, perhaps tablet users are less inclined to care about the visual messages to others that provide comfort to oneself if using an ereader or reading a paper book?