Unutterably Silly So what are you doing RIGHT NOW?

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

Or in the opposite direction, leverage SuSE as the basis for the hypervisor; ESX 3.0/3.5 were based on a modified 2.4 Linux kernel. Already, VMware Workstation supports both NetWare and SLES out of the box.
In addition VMware might find competition in the form of Oracle; they have Sun which means they now have VirtualBox, easily the closest competitor on the desktop.

On the desktop. I have it here. But VMWare wants the corporate market, with all the data centers containing tens or hundreds of rack mounted servers. In that market, the competition is probably Xen, and since Intel is producing CPUs with virtualization support, an offering from them would not surprise me.

Easy: Less competition. Most recent desktop converts get glassy-eyed at the prospect of distro-hopping and tend (in my experience) to give up and go back to Windows. One less server running SLES is one more potential repeat Win2k8 customer. Also, fewer resources required for NetWare compatibility; after all if Novell isn't around to support it, why should MS?

I'm not sure what resources are required for Netware support. Netware hasn't changed significantly in terms of the underlying IPX/SPX protocol. The Windows networking support for Netware probably hasn't been touched in years. I suppose Microsoft gets the odd support call about it. (An old friend who does telecom and networking use IPX/SPX as a simple "It just works" way to connect printers at customer sites.)
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Dennis

[pshrynk]

It will be twenty years since I became a veteran next July. Never could do 100 pushups.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

That reminds me ... it was 40 years ago today that I stopped being a soldier and became a veteran.

No, no, no..... It was 40 years ago today Sergent Pepper taught the band to play.

But hey, that fits too! Congrats on your retirement!

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by newfiekat

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Dennis

[devilsadvocate]

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

On the desktop. I have it here. But VMWare wants the corporate market, with all the data centers containing tens or hundreds of rack mounted servers. In that market, the competition is probably Xen, and since Intel is producing CPUs with virtualization support, an offering from them would not surprise me.

VirtualBox actually runs as a service; there is (or at least was) commercial licensing available for enterprise use in terms of server virtualization. If Oracle gave up pursuing that, I think it would be rather short-sighted on their part. It's still not bare-metal but pretty efficient. Ellison might be too high up in his ivory tower to realize this but there's probably more money to be made in SMBs these days considering large businesses are loathe to upgrade servers unless they absolutely have to, and rightly so.

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

I'm not sure what resources are required for Netware support. Netware hasn't changed significantly in terms of the underlying IPX/SPX protocol. The Windows networking support for Netware probably hasn't been touched in years. I suppose Microsoft gets the odd support call about it. (An old friend who does telecom and networking use IPX/SPX as a simple "It just works" way to connect printers at customer sites.)

That's what I thought too, but looking around there still seems to be a not-insignificant amount of work to do in keeping up with versions, fixes, and service-packs (or at least MS' support site likes to make a big production out of it). As your friend observed, NetWare's not a shambling corpse just yet, and it indeed "just works"; I wonder if MS wouldn't like to take IPX/SPX protocol bits and use them in a proprietary replacement for CIFS (itself a replacement for the deprecated-but-won't-go-away SMB a.k.a. Samba). After all, CTO's might be more amenable to keep their MS stuff around if it plays nice with future *nix implementations.

I'm just theorizing on MS' take on the whole thing; it's a moot point anyway. On the other hand, nobody's signed anything yet, so there could be a surprise around the corner; after all, MS is flush with cash right now and Novell could pretty much be had for a song...the name alone might be worth the investment in Ballmer's view.

[WT Sharpe]

Originally Posted by happy_terd

6 YEARS OLD!!!!



I guess I should cash in on the 50 cent words more often.

Is that the cleaning crew?

[desertgrandma]

Okay so they looked a little goofy.

But their music rocked........

[SneakySnake]

What's the fuss. Tell me what's a happening? I came down to work at 5am and as I left my room an unseasonal storm hit! sposed to be the dry season.

Then the bluddy network was down. I managed to get the internet up and get on MR and now the network is working I don't wanna.

When I moved the satellite cables, the lights went off on the modem. maybe they are cracked inside? Anybody run satellite intenernet before? Methinks I should order new cables because this intermittent problem appears to be happening more often now.

Good morning everyone! Sunday yay

[recluse]

ABBA rocked?

You ever throw your panties at Lawrence Welk, Desertgrandma?

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

VirtualBox actually runs as a service; there is (or at least was) commercial licensing available for enterprise use in terms of server virtualization. If Oracle gave up pursuing that, I think it would be rather short-sighted on their part. It's still not bare-metal but pretty efficient. Ellison might be too high up in his ivory tower to realize this but there's probably more money to be made in SMBs these days considering large businesses are loathe to upgrade servers unless they absolutely have to, and rightly so.

If I were Oracle, I'd look at offering a bundle: Oracle 11 itself, Linux for it to run under, customized for the task, and VirtualBox to virtualize it, preconfigured for Oracle/Linux instances. Install it on the bare metal, and Poof!, you've got a running virtualised Oracle setup, ready to expand. Oracle costs enough that I'd assume my customers weren't interested in spending more than they had to on the hardware to run it.

That's what I thought too, but looking around there still seems to be a not-insignificant amount of work to do in keeping up with versions, fixes, and service-packs (or at least MS' support site likes to make a big production out of it). As your friend observed, NetWare's not a shambling corpse just yet, and it indeed "just works"; I wonder if MS wouldn't like to take IPX/SPX protocol bits and use them in a proprietary replacement for CIFS (itself a replacement for the deprecated-but-won't-go-away SMB a.k.a. Samba). After all, CTO's might be more amenable to keep their MS stuff around if it plays nice with future *nix implementations.

I do wonder how much of the versions, fixes, and service packs relates to Novell support.

And I think the CTOs fall into two categories: those that are Windows shops and are joined at the hip to MS, and those running Linux that MS would like to attract.

A former employer ran Windows, Solaris, and Linux (with some legacy Netware they were working on getting rid of.) Their public facing web servers ran on Windows 2003 server with IIS. I asked the guy responsible for them about security concerns, and his response "I keep them fully patched", then put his hands together and moved his lips in a pantomime of heartfelt prayer.

I'm just theorizing on MS' take on the whole thing; it's a moot point anyway. On the other hand, nobody's signed anything yet, so there could be a surprise around the corner; after all, MS is flush with cash right now and Novell could pretty much be had for a song...the name alone might be worth the investment in Ballmer's view.

They're flush with cash, but I really don't see the ROI in buying Novell. If they did, I'd expect the reason to be indirect: throw a spanner into someone else's works by preventing them from buying it.
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Dennis

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by recluse

ABBA rocked?

You ever throw your panties at Lawrence Welk, Desertgrandma?

EEEWWW! (SMACK!)

I used to roll my eyes when my parents watched that show every week.

Now I throughly enjoy it......clean, classy talent.

[recluse]

Sorry, Desertgrandma.

I meant Engelbert Humperdinck.
Or was it Tom Jones?

[GraceKrispy]

With all this talk about Veterans, I feel the need to point out that I was born on Veteran's Day (US).

Just wanted you all to know.

Oh, and I don't like cake, but I do LOOOOOVE chocolate chip cookies (homemade, please) and brownies (dense, but not totally fudgy, no frosting).

Now I'm hungry...

[dreams]

Great, little penguin! All your "hidden" talk about chocolate has made me hungry--- no, make that crave -- brownies!

I really did not want to have to go out today, but now I think I will have to make a run to the store.

[recluse]

Brownies....with walnuts?

I'll bring the milk!

Can I lick the bowl?