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Old 02-14-2010, 03:31 PM   #166
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:41 AM   #167
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I wonder if VAT is the reason for the rules about point of sales.
Nope. Publisher insistence is. Governments haven't gotten into the game yet.

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If fictionwise sells you an ebook who is paying the VAT?
Nobody is. Legally, you're probably obliged to report the purchase to your local tax office and pay the VAT yourself - your tax code may vary, but this is the advice I was given on VAT that wasn't collected at source.
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:47 AM   #168
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Nobody is. Legally, you're probably obliged to report the purchase to your local tax office and pay the VAT yourself - your tax code may vary, but this is the advice I was given on VAT that wasn't collected at source.
Since the point of sale is at the customers location it is strange that the shop can sell and not pay VAT. I would have guessed that it would be considered a local shop.
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:58 AM   #169
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Since the point of sale is at the customers location it is strange that the shop can sell and not pay VAT. I would have guessed that it would be considered a local shop.
By Swedish (or Polish or French or Chilean or...) law it probably would be, since, as you say, it's a "local" sale. Since the actual seller is waaaay outside the reach of the Swedish (or etc.) authorities, though, they can expect to get away with routinely breaking the law without ever paying a penalty for doing so.

That said, a delightfully-appropriate way of drawing attention to the problem might be to organize an arrest for conspiracy to commit tax fraud next time John Sargent visits Europe...
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:13 AM   #170
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I wonder if VAT is the reason for the rules about point of sales. If fictionwise sells you an ebook who is paying the VAT? If they have the right to sell it world wide is fictionwise adding VAT when you buy from Europe?
I think that might be part of it. I noticed with Amazon that their free books cost $1.99 when logging in with my German IP address and $0.00 when I used an American IP address. Paying VAT is the only thing that makes sense.
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Old 02-15-2010, 09:02 AM   #171
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I noticed with Amazon that their free books cost $1.99 when logging in with my German IP address and $0.00 when I used an American IP address. Paying VAT is the only thing that makes sense.
"For every question there is an answer that is obvious, sensible, and wrong." The extra $2 you're seeing there is the international 3G roaming charge, which international customers pay whether they use wireless download or not (US-registered customers only pay the charge if they actually use wireless download while outside the US, and pay nothing if they download to computer and transfer via USB). Depending on your IP address, you may also pay relevant VAT on top of that charge, depending on your country's VAT on e-books.
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Old 04-06-2010, 05:32 PM   #172
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I bought myself a gift certificate at BoB today, changed my country of residence to US and filled in a fictitious US billing address and bought an ebook restricted to the US with the certificate. It's a bit of a work around but easier/safer than masking your IP I think.
Thank you. I actually have a real US shipping address to get over the geo problem with actual goods so no lies involved at all.

I was going mad trying to get the second Stieg Larsson book (for my wife of course).

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Old 09-15-2010, 08:22 AM   #173
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I am also hopelessly frustrated by geographical restrictions. First, they prevent me from buying books available on the other side of the pond. Right now I would want to buy Nick Bilton I live in the future and here's how it works, but it is not for sale on Amazon UK. Second, when a Kindle book is for sale on Amazon UK the price can be the double that of the same book on Amazon US. I want to buy the Kindle book by Clay Shirky Cognitive Suplus UK price: £15.99 US price: $ 12.99 = £8.35. I would be grateful for any suggestion as to how to bypass these restrictions. I am willing to pay for the books so why prevent me from buying them and from buying them where I want?
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Old 09-15-2010, 08:55 AM   #174
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Moan at the publisher on this occasion - I've found that a lot of the time, the Kindle Books are actually cheaper in the UK than the US, as we in the UK don't seem to be fussed about the whole Agency thing.

Set up another amazon account with a secondary email address on amazon.com, use a US billing address/shipping address, and download to your pc to sideload to the Kindle.
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Old 09-15-2010, 11:37 AM   #175
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I am also hopelessly frustrated by geographical restrictions. First, they prevent me from buying books available on the other side of the pond. Right now I would want to buy Nick Bilton I live in the future and here's how it works, but it is not for sale on Amazon UK. Second, when a Kindle book is for sale on Amazon UK the price can be the double that of the same book on Amazon US. I want to buy the Kindle book by Clay Shirky Cognitive Suplus UK price: £15.99 US price: $ 12.99 = £8.35. I would be grateful for any suggestion as to how to bypass these restrictions. I am willing to pay for the books so why prevent me from buying them and from buying them where I want?
You really should be grateful that you live in the UK. The majority of e-books are significantly cheaper for us in the UK than they are for people in the US, since we don't have the "agency agreement" that permits publishers to fix the prices in the US.
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Old 09-17-2010, 06:05 AM   #176
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No but Kindle books have a 17,5% VAT in the UK. And I am most annoyed by the fact that there are books I simply cannot buy for the Kindle because they are not for sale outside US and Canada.
As for a US billing address, my debit card would be rejected.
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Old 09-17-2010, 07:15 AM   #177
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Geographical restrictions work the other way too - there are many books on the UK Kindle site that you couldn't buy if you lived in the US. Even with VAT, the majority of eBooks are cheaper for us than for people in the US. I really wouldn't wish too hard that you lived there!
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Old 09-17-2010, 09:10 AM   #178
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I am a Canadian living in China. I used to buy from the Canadian Sony store with no problems since they just seemed to look at my credit card only to determine geographic locations. However, the last book I wanted to buy was US only. Fine. Bought it for my iPad instead. I found a guy on eBay who sells me US gift cards for a very small markup ($101 for a $100 card) and the iTunes store does not seem to check geographic locations. Sony loses the sale. Would have preferred to read it on my Sony Reader but the iPad is ok.
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blah blah blah Folks,get down to the internet. Nobody has restricted this yet. You free to find whatever u might possibly want. Just google it. That's it. You'll b amazed how much can b found within half an hour spent searching for the stuff u are looking in particular. And let greedy publishers snarl at each other and sort themselves the way the want it,we can find our way out can't we?

They call it a piracy? Free search in internet? Wot about our kids? To pay such a mad price for the mere file i won't. It's not always accessible,it has it's restrictions,say i have to utilise special machine to see it. Why should i pay for such more money than i'd pay for paperback????!!!!!! That's an insult for me. Yes,there were no printing involved no more work than three hours of scanning and proving of one or two men. No paper or paint was used,it didn't go through the bookstores and wasn't delivered on the lorry,so why should i pay even more???? You want to stop piracy??? Reduce the prices and make them affordable. Sometimes i do find something to read in internet and i enjoy it. I think there suppose to be many file sharing websites where people share their books and all. When i'll buy an ebook reader i'll definitely find one or two.
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Others who have done so have obtained an authors email address and organised to send a payment for the book direct.
Charels Stross (a pretty good sci-fi author who won the Hugo award this year) actually does not recommend this (pretty good read about the ebook mechanics and book production costs btw).

According to him (and he presents his point rather convincingly) publishers do a fair bit for authors beside just distributing the books and deserve money for this.
So he recommends if one got a "free" ebook and wants pay money for it (but cannot buy the ebook) just to buy a paper copy and throw it in the trash or gift it to someone.
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