Android KitKat released - Page 10

Purple Lady · 11-24-2013, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Prestidigitweeze

I'm not looking forward to it. People report that USB audio is even more problematic on KitKat than it was on Jellybean. I rely on external DACs to improve the SQ on my N7.2; so far, they seem only to work with USB Audio Recorder Pro. If KitKat breaks even that option, then my tablet's going to be a lot less enjoyable.

You don't have to do the update as far as I know. It will download, but you don't have to execute it.

I'm rooted, so I made a change so I won't even get notified for now. There are too many problems - some browsers and apps can't do text reflow and no browser can use flash anymore. Too many websites still use flash instead of html5 and if the text won't reflow I won't be able to even read anything on most websites. I saw other complaints about the stock email app and some video apps.

eschwartz · 11-24-2013, 12:31 AM

Isn't it generally considered unwise to upgrade to an x.0 release? You essentially are Google's/Apple's/somebody's guinea pig to fix all the things that are sure to not be working right in a brand-new rewrite of various functionalities.

Blossom · 11-24-2013, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

You don't have to do the update as far as I know. It will download, but you don't have to execute it.

Are you sure? Mine updated on it's own. I didn't have a choice.

Blossom · 11-24-2013, 07:20 AM

Just got a reply from Moon+ Pro Reader's developer

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Moon+ Reader: this seems to be a known bug of Android 4.4 in some devices (e.g.: nexus 7, the 2012 edition has this problem, 2013 edition hasn't), google's next update should fix this issue automatically.

So I don't think we will see a fix anytime soon.

jswinden · 11-24-2013, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Blossom

Are you sure? Mine updated on it's own. I didn't have a choice.

I'm pretty sure the only option I had was a statement that basically said, "Click to restart your Nexus 7.2 and install Android 4.4." One option equals no option to opt out in this case. It was more like a statement that like it or not you are getting 4.4. I didn't try hitting the back button. Perhaps that would have worked for a short time, but I suspect that reminders would have been often an annoying until it finally updated.

Purple Lady · 11-24-2013, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Blossom

Are you sure? Mine updated on it's own. I didn't have a choice.

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Originally Posted by jswinden

I'm pretty sure the only option I had was a statement that basically said, "Click to restart your Nexus 7.2 and install Android 4.4." One option equals no option to opt out in this case. It was more like a statement that like it or not you are getting 4.4. I didn't try hitting the back button. Perhaps that would have worked for a short time, but I suspect that reminders would have been often an annoying until it finally updated.

I just checked hubby's tablet and it's just in the notification bar. Update downloaded touch to install or something like that. As long as you just leave it there it shouldn't do anything. On my 2012 Nexus 7 for the previous update I left the notification there for weeks before I got tired of seeing it.

jswinden · 11-24-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

I just checked hubby's tablet and it's just in the notification bar. Update downloaded touch to install or something like that. As long as you just leave it there it shouldn't do anything. On my 2012 Nexus 7 for the previous update I left the notification there for weeks before I got tired of seeing it.

When I turned on (woke from sleep) the Nexus 7.2 the splash screen showed the big message that just said, "Click to restart and install 4.4" or words to that extent. It apparently DLed while the Nexus 7.2 was asleep. So I did not get that option.

Prestidigitweeze · 11-24-2013, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

I'm rooted, so I made a change so I won't even get notified for now.

If you don't mind my asking, which ROM did you use and what change did you make? It appears I'm going to have to root sooner rather than later.

I should also trawl the N7 2013 forums on XDA to find the best ROM for USB Audio.

Purple Lady · 11-24-2013, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jswinden

When I turned on (woke from sleep) the Nexus 7.2 the splash screen showed the big message that just said, "Click to restart and install 4.4" or words to that extent. It apparently DLed while the Nexus 7.2 was asleep. So I did not get that option.

That's interesting. I woke his tablet from sleep to see what it had on the notification bar. I wonder if it's because our tablets are always rooted? I know with my 2012 Nexus I even rebooted while the message was there and it didn't update.

Purple Lady · 11-24-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Prestidigitweeze

If you don't mind my asking, which ROM did you use and what change did you make? It appears I'm going to have to root sooner rather than later.

I should also trawl the N7 2013 forums on XDA to find the best ROM for USB Audio.

I'm just on the stock rom. When you root for the first time you have to unlock your bootloader which causes you to lose all your data. If you look for CF auto root he(chainfire) makes it pretty easy to root. The change I made to prevent the update is here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...6&postcount=38

Prestidigitweeze · 11-24-2013, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

I'm just on the stock rom. When you root for the first time you have to unlock your bootloader which causes you to lose all your data. If you look for CF auto root he(chainfire) makes it pretty easy to root. The change I made to prevent the update is here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...6&postcount=38

Thanks for the tips, PL.

I was under the impression there was a backup/recovery method one used just prior to rooting. There was, at least, when I rooted my last Galaxy S.

Purple Lady · 11-24-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Prestidigitweeze

Thanks for the tips, PL.

I was under the impression there was a backup/recovery method one used just prior to rooting. There was, at least, when I rooted my last Galaxy S.

I know from experience now to root right away so I didn't look for a way to backup. There are a few root toolkits out there that may save your data - I know Mskip and Wugfresh both have them so you could try to look for those.

Prestidigitweeze · 11-24-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Purple Lady

I know from experience now to root right away so I didn't look for a way to backup. There are a few root toolkits out there that may save your data - I know Mskip and Wugfresh both have them so you could try to look for those.

I couldn't root my S4 immediately because it was carrier, SIM and region-locked for the first six months. Believe me, I thought about the fact I couldn't root until after I'd used my phone for an extended period.

Loss of data won't be an issue on my Nexus 7.2, but it might well become one on my S4, which I have to root to avoid getting KNOX with the Samsung KitKat rollout.

I'll have a look at Mskip and Wugfresh. Rooting my N7.2 will be my dress rehearsal for rooting the S4.

Teknikal · 11-24-2013, 01:58 PM

I updated mine very reluctantly rather than have the touch to install notification always there(no doubt it would be accidently pressed at some point anyway) so I'd say there is pretty much no choice in the matter.

Lost Gsam Battery monitor pro and deep sleep battery saver pro which I'm not happy about to be honest although from reading about kit kat I knew this beforehand, apparently google removed the ability for users to see wakelock information so it won't be possible to work out which app is ruining your battery anymore (usually a google one I tend to find so I find this removal rather dare I say evil and not to the users benefit).

First time I didn't really want to upgrade in truth everything else seems to be working ok but I feel rather sour about the whole thing if I'm honest I'm probably likely to skip Nexus devices in the future.

Purple Lady · 11-24-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Prestidigitweeze

I couldn't root my S4 immediately because it was carrier, SIM and region-locked for the first six months. Believe me, I thought about the fact I couldn't root immediately.

Loss of data won't be an issue on my Nexus 7.2, but it might well become one on my S4, which I have to root to avoid getting KNOX with the Samsung KitKat rollout.

I'll have a look at Mskip and Wugfresh. Rooting my N7.2 will be my dress rehearsal for rooting the S4.

Carrier, Sim and region locked have nothing to do with rooting and unlocking the bootloader. That just prevents you from unlocking the Sim card. My S3 is still Carrier, Sim and region locked, but rooted and bootloader unlocked. I just checked and I used Mskip's toolkit for my S3 and it has backup capabilities but I never used them.

I'm not updating to 4.3 on my S3 right now because of the KNOX crap either. I'll wait for the xda folks to do their magic first.

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11-24-2013, 12:31 AM	#137
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Isn't it generally considered unwise to upgrade to an x.0 release? You essentially are Google's/Apple's/somebody's guinea pig to fix all the things that are sure to not be working right in a brand-new rewrite of various functionalities.

11-24-2013, 01:58 PM	#149
Teknikal Fanatic Posts: 574 Karma: 5264318 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Belfast Device: Sony T1, Note Pro 12.2, Honor 10	I updated mine very reluctantly rather than have the touch to install notification always there(no doubt it would be accidently pressed at some point anyway) so I'd say there is pretty much no choice in the matter. Lost Gsam Battery monitor pro and deep sleep battery saver pro which I'm not happy about to be honest although from reading about kit kat I knew this beforehand, apparently google removed the ability for users to see wakelock information so it won't be possible to work out which app is ruining your battery anymore (usually a google one I tend to find so I find this removal rather dare I say evil and not to the users benefit). First time I didn't really want to upgrade in truth everything else seems to be working ok but I feel rather sour about the whole thing if I'm honest I'm probably likely to skip Nexus devices in the future.

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