V3 in my hand - Page 7

tribble · 09-18-2007, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

How is what Sony and iRex doing wrong? iRex announced their V2 already and Sony is selling off old stock via the credit card offer for about $60. I don't think the VizPlex screen is worth $240 (roughly) over the old screen. For all we know, Sony might not be ready with the 505 yet and have not announced it. We really do not know. But what we do know is there is no 505 for sale now. It's not hidden while all they show is the 500. And it is a new model at that so you don't just buy a 500 and get the old one (no Vizplex) when you could have bought a new one (with Vizplex).

Hmm, i think you dont give Sony and iRex anough credit. Why do you think the V2 took so long to hit the market, and Sony probably has 505s already on their shelves somewhere, they just do not offer customers theri devices early. So basically the nice person from Jinke made a bad business call in letting someone have such a device before the old ones where sold. Thats just simple economics.

guguy · 09-19-2007, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

What makes the other readers better than the V3?

Well, the cybook and the PRS-505 have the same vizplex screen but
can both read drm ebooks (mobipocket and lrf). Moreover they are
priced lower and you have to pay custom fees to buy a V3.

Of course there is roughly no major difference but I prefere waiting
1 month and buying a PRS-505 which is cheaper, can read drm ebooks,
and is made by a bigger firm.

Moreover the design of the V3 is, well... very minimalistic and no very
cool imho.

NatCh · 09-19-2007, 10:09 AM

We don't really know that the 505 will have Vizplex (though I share your belief that it will) ... actually, we don't really know for sure that it will release in October ... or that the V3 will launch on time ....

guguy · 09-19-2007, 10:17 AM

Well, considering all the advertisements sony is currently doing, the fact
that the PRS-505 was in pre-order on abtelectronics and that amazon will
launch the Kindle in one month and bookeen is about to launch the GEN3
I think it's not crazy to believe the PRS-505 is gonna be launched very soon!

Once more it will be a great deal for european with currently 1€=1,4$

NatCh · 09-19-2007, 10:21 AM

Heh, I didn't say I didn't believe it would launch in October, just that we don't really know.

JSWolf · 09-20-2007, 01:12 AM

We don't know if the Cybook will launch in Septmeber with the software still going through revisions. We know the hardware is done. But the software is yet to be finished.

What I am tempted to do is go into the SonyStyle store and ask about the 505 just to find out what they have to say.

JSWolf · 09-20-2007, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tribble

Hmm, i think you dont give Sony and iRex anough credit. Why do you think the V2 took so long to hit the market, and Sony probably has 505s already on their shelves somewhere, they just do not offer customers theri devices early. So basically the nice person from Jinke made a bad business call in letting someone have such a device before the old ones where sold. Thats just simple economics.

I'm giving Sony and iRex plenty of credit. It's Jinke I'm not giving credit for holding back on the Vizplex model when they have it for sale.

Sony may very well have the 505 ready to go. But they aren't yet selling it. So you cannot buy one. All we have is an advert from one store that was quickly pulled. We don't even know if the date of release is correct or when in October it is due even if October is correct. iRex's one fault in this case is calling the new iliad a v2. It's not really that much of an update. Maybe a v1.5.

fjell_strom · 09-20-2007, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjell_strom

Man, sure wish someone was supplying these inside the EU. Sales tax here in Germany is going to be an extra 45 Euros on top of 310 already (product, bank transfer fee, and shipping) for a whopping 355 Euro total. That's 492 US dollars!

My God! My v3 was just delivered and I didn't have the money to pay for the damn sales tax. They have to come back tomorrow!!! Fucking hell.

They must have put an extra customs fee on top of the sales tax (this is Germany where sales tax alone is 19%). The delivery man was asking for 84 Euros - like any average joe would have that in his wallet! That's almost double what I quoted above!!

So, at the end of the day (my God I can't believe this), if you live in Germany and order a V3 from Jinke's website, you're going to pay a grand total of:

394 Euros

Which means:

Although the device sells for 329 Dollars on the website, by the time it falls into your eager little hands, you will have parted with:

553 Dollars

That's a 59% increase over that original figure. I don't care how useful this thing ends up being (I'll have to find out tomorrow as I had to turn the delivery man away for now), I wouldn't pay that again. Period.

fjell

guguy · 09-20-2007, 04:39 AM

Damn, you've been really unlucky, the customs do not always charge
people...

Moreover the guys from Jinke should not have declared the real value,
since this kind of product isn't very well known they could have said
it costs 50-100$...

tribble · 09-20-2007, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fjell_strom

They must have put an extra customs fee on top of the sales tax (this is Germany where sales tax alone is 19%). The delivery man was asking for 84 Euros - like any average joe would have that in his wallet! That's almost double what I quoted above!!

Well, you have to pay a customs fee on most electronic gadgets. If its declared as a PDA, you dont have to pay any customs. Most electronic devices add another 4-6 % on the sales price. So thats

(329+shipping)*1,05 * 1,19

But what did you pay for shipping and handling?
Sometimes the shipping companies add an extra service fee for handling customs.

And thats where you see why things in the US are usually the same price in $ as they are here in Euro

fjell_strom · 09-20-2007, 05:51 AM

Hey tribble,

Let me state everything in Euros, just to keep it simple.

Device: €234
Shipping: €47
Bank Transfer: €29
Sales Tax & Customs fee: €84

Total: €394

fjell

guguy · 09-20-2007, 05:58 AM

Damn, you paid 36% of custom fees over the price of the device!
That's crazy!

fjell_strom · 09-20-2007, 08:58 AM

I can only advise everyone else in Germany against making this purchase from Jinke. Stated plainly:

the HanLin v3 is not worth 394 Euros (553 Dollars), under any circumstances. If you want it, get it elsewhere.

fjell

MikeF74 · 09-20-2007, 09:31 AM

It really stinks that you had to learn this the hard way. Tell Jinke what happened and that they should always call it a PDA as suggested above. They might even feel bad for you and give you a small credit.

fjell_strom · 09-22-2007, 08:20 AM

Hey everybody, I've received my V3 and I've made a video featuring it on Youtube. Please tell me what you think concerning the Vizplex issue.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gPBo81PPEwg

And a link to the Cybook video for comparison:

http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=6889

Cheers all. Anyone have any other questions, now that I have the device?

09-20-2007, 05:51 AM	#101
fjell_strom Enthusiast Posts: 26 Karma: 82 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Freiburg, Germany Device: HanLin V3 with Vizplex? Hmmmmmm...	Hey tribble, Let me state everything in Euros, just to keep it simple. Device: €234 Shipping: €47 Bank Transfer: €29 Sales Tax & Customs fee: €84 Total: €394 fjell Last edited by fjell_strom; 09-20-2007 at 05:54 AM.

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09-19-2007, 10:09 AM	#93
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	We don't really know that the 505 will have Vizplex (though I share your belief that it will) ... actually, we don't really know for sure that it will release in October ... or that the V3 will launch on time ....

09-19-2007, 10:17 AM	#94
guguy Groupie Posts: 191 Karma: 15 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Clermont-Ferrand/Paris, France Device: PRS-505	Well, considering all the advertisements sony is currently doing, the fact that the PRS-505 was in pre-order on abtelectronics and that amazon will launch the Kindle in one month and bookeen is about to launch the GEN3 I think it's not crazy to believe the PRS-505 is gonna be launched very soon! Once more it will be a great deal for european with currently 1€=1,4$

09-19-2007, 10:21 AM	#95
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Heh, I didn't say I didn't believe it would launch in October, just that we don't really know.

09-20-2007, 01:12 AM	#96
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,756 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	We don't know if the Cybook will launch in Septmeber with the software still going through revisions. We know the hardware is done. But the software is yet to be finished. What I am tempted to do is go into the SonyStyle store and ask about the 505 just to find out what they have to say.

09-20-2007, 04:39 AM	#99
guguy Groupie Posts: 191 Karma: 15 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Clermont-Ferrand/Paris, France Device: PRS-505	Damn, you've been really unlucky, the customs do not always charge people... Moreover the guys from Jinke should not have declared the real value, since this kind of product isn't very well known they could have said it costs 50-100$...

09-20-2007, 05:58 AM	#102
guguy Groupie Posts: 191 Karma: 15 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Clermont-Ferrand/Paris, France Device: PRS-505	Damn, you paid 36% of custom fees over the price of the device! That's crazy!

09-20-2007, 08:58 AM	#103
fjell_strom Enthusiast Posts: 26 Karma: 82 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Freiburg, Germany Device: HanLin V3 with Vizplex? Hmmmmmm...	I can only advise everyone else in Germany against making this purchase from Jinke. Stated plainly: the HanLin v3 is not worth 394 Euros (553 Dollars), under any circumstances. If you want it, get it elsewhere. fjell

09-20-2007, 09:31 AM	#104
MikeF74 Groupie Posts: 179 Karma: 28 Join Date: May 2007 Device: Sony PRS-505	It really stinks that you had to learn this the hard way. Tell Jinke what happened and that they should always call it a PDA as suggested above. They might even feel bad for you and give you a small credit.

09-22-2007, 08:20 AM	#105
fjell_strom Enthusiast Posts: 26 Karma: 82 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Freiburg, Germany Device: HanLin V3 with Vizplex? Hmmmmmm...	Hey everybody, I've received my V3 and I've made a video featuring it on Youtube. Please tell me what you think concerning the Vizplex issue. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gPBo81PPEwg And a link to the Cybook video for comparison: http://www.teleread.org/blog/?p=6889 Cheers all. Anyone have any other questions, now that I have the device?