The word liseuse being used outside of MobileRead? - Page 28

omk3 · 06-23-2010, 06:22 AM

A thread is started every minute that doesn't interest me, with many I even disagree just by reading the title. I don't go posting in them. They are not for me, they are not about me.

There has been a sea of posts in this thread about how the word is to be loathed, hated, is yucky etc. There have been several thinly-veiled insults to anyone using it. People defend their right(!) to comment on other people's vocabularies, and derail threads when the vocabulary is not to their liking! Please!

Zelda's behaviour has been impeccable. She never ever insulted anyone (and I read eveything carefully), she only pointed out to Kenny that what he said he would do (say to everyone how silly their word usage is when he thinks so) would be trolling. And it would. You don't like it, don't participate. Don't answer. Why go out of your way to, yes, insult people on their word usage?

I've never reported a post in my life, but I've come close many times in this thread. A thread about a word, for f*&$' sake! Several times I felt insulted by the comments, and I'm sure I would have felt even more insulted if I was actually french. Why people think it's okay to publicly say they hate everything french (or brazilian, or japanese, or whatever) is beyond me.

I could go on and say more. About 'all-american' forums. About how if this thread had taken an anti-american rather than anti-french turn all hell would have broken loose. I'm trying very hard to restrain myself.

We all have the same rights. Yours are not better than mine.

I will say liseuse as often as I want to. It started as silly fun for me, but it's almost a revolutionary flag for me now in the face of vocabulary bigotry.

kennyc · 06-23-2010, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

A padd is the Star Trek TNG version of our readers.

Ah. I was unaware of that. It seems a silly word too....is that where iPad came from?

kindlekitten · 06-23-2010, 07:05 AM

[QUOTE=TGS;974324]I've been referred to on this thread as a whacko - some of you are freakin' sickos. Relax a bit, it's a word, it's a nice word I think but if you don't like it fine - this thread was never for you. It was for people who do like the word and think it would be interesting/fun/diverting/amusing or some other mildly positive attitudinal adjective, to see it gain wider acceptance.

QUOTE]

now, don't misquote me! I referred to everyone (myself included) in the Llounge as whackos. and I meant that in the nicest kindest way possible!)

(HINT: when "Llounge" is used, the comment is almost certainly humorous

vivaldirules · 06-23-2010, 07:09 AM

I would Google liseuse but I don't have an iPad on which to do that.

kindlekitten · 06-23-2010, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by vivaldirules

I would Google liseuse but I don't have an iPad on which to do that.

here ya' go doggie;

kazbates · 06-23-2010, 09:19 AM

Okay. I logged on to the Internet to get directions to the mall where I am meeting my husband for lunch and saw that this thread had over 400 posts.

I thought we had done this topic to death months ago?!?

Personally, I find the fact that people see this word as offensive amazing considering the denigration of our language (I can only speak for American English since that is where I live) what with the excessive use of profanity within the general populace.

I was walking (with my 8 year old daughter) through a shopping mall behind a group of young people (20's age group) and every other word was f**k. That's not the first time it's happened and I'm sure it won't be the last nor has it been limited to that age group. A highly distinguished gentleman in a lovely business suit was swearing into his blackberry on another occasion.

And your complaining about liseuse?!?!?

pshrynk · 06-23-2010, 09:57 AM

Let's get back to the original topic of whether or not the word has cropped up outside MR, please

Let's get off the topic of how you feel about people who like or dislike the word, please.

kazbates · 06-23-2010, 10:32 AM

To get back on topic as per the request of the mighty pshrynk, I think I would use the word more often outside of MR if I knew that I was pronouncing it correctly. I've heard it through a translation website, but the person speaks it so quickly that it is still unclear to me and that's even with the 2 years of French classes I took in college.

I have taken to pronouncing it as *li-zues (like the mythological god)*. But don't quote me on that as I must admit to being question on a rather frequent basis as to "where are you from". Living in the "almost South" with a strong Chicagoan accent has that affect on people.

TGS · 06-23-2010, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazbates

I have taken to pronouncing it as *li-zues (like the mythological god)*. But don't quote me on that as I must admit to being question on a rather frequent basis as to "where are you from". Living in the "almost South" with a strong Chicagoan accent has that affect on people.

Here's how I think of it: Imagine there is a verb "to liz" (there isn't, but just bear with me!). Then someone who does "lizzing" might be thought of as a "lizzer", and of one got several of them together you might have a group of "lizzers". Now, when you say "lizzers", as you pronounce the "zz" move your tongue forward a bit to the back of you're teeth. Voila! you are saying liseuse (or as close as makes no difference!)

zelda_pinwheel · 06-23-2010, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGS

Here's how I think of it: Imagine there is a verb "to liz" (there isn't, but just bear with me!). Then someone who does "lizzing" might be thought of as a "lizzer", and of one got several of them together you might have a group of "lizzers". Now, when you say "lizzers", as you pronounce the "zz" move your tongue forward a bit to the back of you're teeth. Voila! you are saying liseuse (or as close as makes no difference!)

nice explanation ! thanks for that. and spot on (or as close as makes no difference.

), including the bit about "imagine there is a verb...", except that as it happens, the verb is "lire" (to read) which is conjugated "lis" ("je lis" = "i read", "nous lisons" = we read).

thus "liseuse", with the extra connotation of taking pleasure in the activity to differentiate from "lecteur" or "lectrice" which is just someone / thing engaged in the act of reading or capable of reading.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazbates

To get back on topic as per the request of the mighty pshrynk, I think I would use the word more often outside of MR if I knew that I was pronouncing it correctly. I've heard it through a translation website, but the person speaks it so quickly that it is still unclear to me and that's even with the 2 years of French classes I took in college.

I have taken to pronouncing it as *li-zues (like the mythological god)*. But don't quote me on that as I must admit to being question on a rather frequent basis as to "where are you from". Living in the "almost South" with a strong Chicagoan accent has that affect on people.

kaz, i wouldn't worry ; i am sure your pronunciation is fine, especially since traditionally, borrowed words tend to get pronounced according to what seems natural to the speaker in the context of their own language. for example, i've recently learned that in english, "masseuse" is apparently pronounced "mass-oosse" when in fact it should rhyme with 'liseuse" (same word ending / kind of word). from your description i think you're a lot closer to the original pronunciation than you think, anyway !

JSWolf · 06-23-2010, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kennyc

Ah. I was unaware of that. It seems a silly word too....is that where iPad came from?

I never thought of the word iPad that way before. But it's seems totally possible.

Freeshadow · 06-23-2010, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by zippy

thus "liseuse", with the extra connotation of taking pleasure in the activity to differentiate from "lecteur" or "lectrice" which is just someone / thing engaged in the act of reading or capable of reading.

which is one of the facts not being left out of scope, since at the present time the devices are far more useable for recreational reading, than study-reading, wich often require looking up, index jumps book switching etc, as I already pointed out while adressing the usage of digitally published materials for Roleplay gaming.

GeoffC · 06-23-2010, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I never thought of the word iPad that way before. But it's seems totally possible.

unless it was designed by an irish man .....

JSWolf · 06-23-2010, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeoffC

unless it was designed by an irish man .....

Please explain that one.

GeoffC · 06-23-2010, 11:32 AM

Every day someone would walk past his door and say "Hi Paddy" ....

Paddy being a common diminutive for Patrick or Pádraig .....

06-23-2010, 09:19 AM	#411
kazbates Wizard Posts: 2,627 Karma: 406616 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Virginia Device: SurfacePro, SurfaceBook 2	Okay. I logged on to the Internet to get directions to the mall where I am meeting my husband for lunch and saw that this thread had over 400 posts. I thought we had done this topic to death months ago?!? Personally, I find the fact that people see this word as offensive amazing considering the denigration of our language (I can only speak for American English since that is where I live) what with the excessive use of profanity within the general populace. I was walking (with my 8 year old daughter) through a shopping mall behind a group of young people (20's age group) and every other word was f*k. That's not the first time it's happened and I'm sure it won't be the last nor has it been limited to that age group. A highly distinguished gentleman in a lovely business suit was swearing into his blackberry on another occasion. And your complaining about liseuse?!?!? Last edited by kazbates; 06-23-2010 at 09:22 AM.*

06-23-2010, 09:57 AM	#412
pshrynk Beepbeep n beebeep, yeah! Posts: 11,726 Karma: 8255450 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: La Crosse, Wisconsin, aka America's IceBox Device: iThingie, KmkII, I miss Zelda!	Let's get back to the original topic of whether or not the word has cropped up outside MR, please Let's get off the topic of how you feel about people who like or dislike the word, please. Last edited by pshrynk; 06-23-2010 at 10:03 AM.

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06-23-2010, 06:22 AM	#406
omk3 Wizard Posts: 1,454 Karma: 37243 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Europe Device: pocketbook 360, kindle 4	A thread is started every minute that doesn't interest me, with many I even disagree just by reading the title. I don't go posting in them. They are not for me, they are not about me. There has been a sea of posts in this thread about how the word is to be loathed, hated, is yucky etc. There have been several thinly-veiled insults to anyone using it. People defend their right(!) to comment on other people's vocabularies, and derail threads when the vocabulary is not to their liking! Please! Zelda's behaviour has been impeccable. She never ever insulted anyone (and I read eveything carefully), she only pointed out to Kenny that what he said he would do (say to everyone how silly their word usage is when he thinks so) would be trolling. And it would. You don't like it, don't participate. Don't answer. Why go out of your way to, yes, insult people on their word usage? I've never reported a post in my life, but I've come close many times in this thread. A thread about a word, for f*&$' sake! Several times I felt insulted by the comments, and I'm sure I would have felt even more insulted if I was actually french. Why people think it's okay to publicly say they hate everything french (or brazilian, or japanese, or whatever) is beyond me. I could go on and say more. About 'all-american' forums. About how if this thread had taken an anti-american rather than anti-french turn all hell would have broken loose. I'm trying very hard to restrain myself. We all have the same rights. Yours are not better than mine. I will say liseuse as often as I want to. It started as silly fun for me, but it's almost a revolutionary flag for me now in the face of vocabulary bigotry.

06-23-2010, 07:05 AM	#408
kindlekitten Professional Adventuress Posts: 13,368 Karma: 50260224 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Olympic Peninsula on the OTHER Washington! (the big green clean one on the west coast!) Device: Kindle, the original! Times Two! and gifting an International Kindle	[QUOTE=TGS;974324]I've been referred to on this thread as a whacko - some of you are freakin' sickos. Relax a bit, it's a word, it's a nice word I think but if you don't like it fine - this thread was never for you. It was for people who do like the word and think it would be interesting/fun/diverting/amusing or some other mildly positive attitudinal adjective, to see it gain wider acceptance. QUOTE] now, don't misquote me! I referred to everyone (myself included) in the Llounge as whackos. and I meant that in the nicest kindest way possible!) (HINT: when "Llounge" is used, the comment is almost certainly humorous

06-23-2010, 07:09 AM	#409
vivaldirules When's Doughnut Day? Posts: 10,059 Karma: 13675475 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Houston, TX, US Device: Sony PRS-505, iPad	I would Google liseuse but I don't have an iPad on which to do that.

06-23-2010, 10:32 AM	#413
kazbates Wizard Posts: 2,627 Karma: 406616 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Virginia Device: SurfacePro, SurfaceBook 2	To get back on topic as per the request of the mighty pshrynk, I think I would use the word more often outside of MR if I knew that I was pronouncing it correctly. I've heard it through a translation website, but the person speaks it so quickly that it is still unclear to me and that's even with the 2 years of French classes I took in college. I have taken to pronouncing it as li-zues (like the mythological god). But don't quote me on that as I must admit to being question on a rather frequent basis as to "where are you from". Living in the "almost South" with a strong Chicagoan accent has that affect on people.

06-23-2010, 11:32 AM	#420
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	Every day someone would walk past his door and say "Hi Paddy" .... Paddy being a common diminutive for Patrick or Pádraig .....