Would you buy an e-book with DRM? - Page 4

TheJohnNewton · 06-16-2010, 09:28 PM

I voted no only because I don't care for any of the current implementations of DRM. I would be fine with it if all it did was check my rights to access a piece of content. Unfortunatly the current implementations also restrict what devices you can use the content on. I'm not ok with that.

Fbone · 06-16-2010, 09:58 PM

[QUOTE=Freeshadow;963580
well this is something where POV are lying galaxies avay from each other.
for me a book which is not worth to be re-read isn't worth to be read once too...[/QUOTE]

Perhaps, my book selections have been poor.

nursedude · 06-17-2010, 10:33 AM

My answer was "yes" but only as a last resort.

If the only way to get a book I really wanted in ebook form was to purchase one with DRM then I would.

Howevever: I would probably strip the DRM if needed but soon that will make me an "infringer" as, IIRC, in Canada (if the new copyright legislation gets passed) it will be illegal to circumvent DRM locks.

simplyparticular · 06-17-2010, 02:02 PM

My answer used to be just "Yes." Now, thanks to the Big 5 insanity messing up my eReader/Fictionwise bookshelf, I'm in the camp of "Yes, if I can remove DRM."

I've only bought 3 books since the agency pricing switch. I used to buy 3-5 a month. I'm now using library ebooks again.

kya · 06-17-2010, 02:20 PM

I voted "Yes, if I think I can remove the DRM after purchase" because if I'd have to fight with those kind of things and always worry about buying something that my reader maybe couldn't open I would rather buy a paper book :P

On the other hand, if DRM could be used to rent or lean e-books online there would be no problem at all

SkyDream · 06-17-2010, 02:23 PM

Not at all.

Yes, for local library or free books (sometimes books are offered for free but do have DRM) but not if i'm to pay for it.

Removing DRM is not an option for me as it's against local laws.

GlenBarrington · 06-17-2010, 05:18 PM

Do I like DRM? Not particularly. But I'm the kind of person - I want to read what I want to read, when I want to read it. I'm not above throwing a book away when I'm done with it.

Lately, I've been trying to recycle the pBooks, but some books (many books lately) just aren't worth keeping. An ebook worth keeping is worth breaking. So as long as DRM doesn't get in my immediate way, I don't care all that much.

TGS · 06-18-2010, 05:53 AM

If I can't buy the non-DRM's ebook I buy the pbook (which isn't DRM'd!) - then I might "format-shift" by resorting to the darknet to find an electronic copy.

DRM stripping is fine but it boosts sales of DRM'd ebooks and therefore allows publishers to carry on believing - or not believing but claiming - that DRM is not an issue for the majority of the ebook buying public.

Freeshadow · 06-18-2010, 07:52 AM

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DRM stripping is fine but it boosts sales of DRM'd ebooks and therefore allows publishers to carry on believing - or not believing but claiming - that DRM is not an issue for the majority of the ebook buying public.

well spoken and a VERY important point. They only understand wallet voting

Worldwalker · 06-18-2010, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGS

DRM stripping is fine but it boosts sales of DRM'd ebooks and therefore allows publishers to carry on believing - or not believing but claiming - that DRM is not an issue for the majority of the ebook buying public.

Exactly. I am not going to vote with my wallet in favor of something which is against my own best interest.

True, it's a very small wallet. I'm what the chairman of BP would call a "small person". A water drop is a small thing, too. But get enough of them together and you end up with the Grand Canyon.

We are the Little Folk—we!
Too little to love or to hate.
Leave us alone and you’ll see
How we can drag down the State!

-- Rudyard Kipling

Friends don't let friends buy DRM-locked ebooks.

Since I said that, I've seen it turn up in at least one .sig here. Use it on other forums -- get people to ask you what you mean, and why. Point them at sites that sell DRM-free books. Our wallets may individually have very small votes where the big publishers are concerned, but get enough of us together, and they'll have to pay attention.

How many bad things, I wonder, existed and continue to exist because people think "I can't do anything about it, so I'll just go along with it"?

Poppa1956 · 06-18-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dpapathanasiou

We have an anti-DRM policy at Fifobooks (i.e., we won't sell an e-book with DRM), and while that has affected the decision of some authors to publish through us (some have reacted positively to that policy, others negatively), I'd like to find out what readers think of DRM.

Thank you for so freely giving me the name of another source to feed my addiction.

jezebel · 06-18-2010, 11:23 AM

I voted Yes, if I could remove the DRM, but with a caveat.... if I knew how.

I recently bought an Aluratek, but am returning it and getting what I really want - a PB 360. Or maybe something else, even. And then, some time down the line, we may get something else entirely for my husband. The possibility of not being able to read what I've bought on another device later bothers me quite a bit. Until I learn how to strip DRM (which entails finding a safe place to learn about it) I will probably stick to what free books I can find. Which means no e-book buys from me.

Worldwalker · 06-18-2010, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jezebel

I voted Yes, if I could remove the DRM, but with a caveat.... if I knew how.

...

Until I learn how to strip DRM (which entails finding a safe place to learn about it) I will probably stick to what free books I can find. Which means no e-book buys from me.

Instead of supporting the DRM-restrictive bookstores and authors, why not support the ones who treat you like an honest person and a valued customer, instead of a thief and a cheat?

Baen Books, BeWrite, BookView Cafe, and quite a few others sell DRM-free ebooks. They -- not the Agency 5 and their cronies -- get my money. They're dealing fairly with us; they're the ones who deserve our business. (also, they tend to have much better prices)

dorino · 06-18-2010, 12:01 PM

I'm fine if I can strip the DRM. I don't care if they keep publishing it with DRM, as long as I can keep stripping it. My books, my rules.

Generally, though, DRM is a last resort. If I can find a book for 125% of the DRM'd copy's price or less, I'll happily pay the extra for a legitimately DRM-free copy.

Vintage Season · 06-18-2010, 12:02 PM

My favorite form of reading material comes with the strictest DRM scheme imaginable: it is printed on pulped fibers, of various origin, and using a mixture of indelible inks. The only way to get a "digital" version of some of that stuff is to treat it like the vinyl LP you want on your iPod: make an analog-to-digital copy.

Would I purchase a digital copy of a book with my rights managed/imposed? Maybe, if there was no other way—including paper—to get the same intellectual content... but only then if it was something I truly wanted to read. I'll go for paper every time, before willingly selecting a format that I can't read on whatever platform I choose.

That said, would I—as an author—allow my works to be sold or distributed with DRM? That depends. If it is a publisher I know and respect, and I am on good terms with them, and especially if the publication is a magazine or anthology (meaning the intellectual property of other authors is also at stake, and not just my own words), then I probably wouldn't have any complaints with the process. I might not like it, but recognizing it as a potential necessity I wouldn't fight it.

And that stipulation goes especially-double if the same content is readily available on physical, honest-to-goodness pulped fibers.

- M.

View Poll Results: Would you buy an e-book with DRM?
Yes	52	19.48%
No	58	21.72%
Yes, if I think I can remove the DRM after purchase	144	53.93%
It doesn't matter	13	4.87%
Voters: 267. You may not vote on this poll

06-17-2010, 02:02 PM	#49
simplyparticular Guru Posts: 610 Karma: 1395952 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: New York Device: Oasis 3 & GlowLight 4	My answer used to be just "Yes." Now, thanks to the Big 5 insanity messing up my eReader/Fictionwise bookshelf, I'm in the camp of "Yes, if I can remove DRM." I've only bought 3 books since the agency pricing switch. I used to buy 3-5 a month. I'm now using library ebooks again. Last edited by simplyparticular; 06-17-2010 at 02:06 PM.

06-17-2010, 05:18 PM	#52
GlenBarrington Cheese Whiz Posts: 1,986 Karma: 11677147 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Springfield, Illinois Device: Kindle PW, Samsung Tab A 10.1(2019), Pixel 6a.	To me, it just doesn't matter. . . Do I like DRM? Not particularly. But I'm the kind of person - I want to read what I want to read, when I want to read it. I'm not above throwing a book away when I'm done with it. Lately, I've been trying to recycle the pBooks, but some books (many books lately) just aren't worth keeping. An ebook worth keeping is worth breaking. So as long as DRM doesn't get in my immediate way, I don't care all that much.

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06-16-2010, 09:28 PM	#46
TheJohnNewton Addict Posts: 256 Karma: 144599 Join Date: Jan 2008 Device: Boox Nova 2	I voted no only because I don't care for any of the current implementations of DRM. I would be fine with it if all it did was check my rights to access a piece of content. Unfortunatly the current implementations also restrict what devices you can use the content on. I'm not ok with that.

06-16-2010, 09:58 PM	#47
Fbone Is that a sandwich? Posts: 8,292 Karma: 101697116 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Nook Glowlight Plus	[QUOTE=Freeshadow;963580 well this is something where POV are lying galaxies avay from each other. for me a book which is not worth to be re-read isn't worth to be read once too...[/QUOTE] Perhaps, my book selections have been poor.

06-17-2010, 10:33 AM	#48
nursedude Zealot Posts: 131 Karma: 17102 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Device: Kobo (Original), KT, iPad 1, iPhone 4S, iPad 3rd gen	My answer was "yes" but only as a last resort. If the only way to get a book I really wanted in ebook form was to purchase one with DRM then I would. Howevever: I would probably strip the DRM if needed but soon that will make me an "infringer" as, IIRC, in Canada (if the new copyright legislation gets passed) it will be illegal to circumvent DRM locks.

06-17-2010, 02:20 PM	#50
kya Member Posts: 23 Karma: 220018 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Italy Device: none	I voted "Yes, if I think I can remove the DRM after purchase" because if I'd have to fight with those kind of things and always worry about buying something that my reader maybe couldn't open I would rather buy a paper book :P On the other hand, if DRM could be used to rent or lean e-books online there would be no problem at all

06-17-2010, 02:23 PM	#51
SkyDream Wizard Posts: 1,377 Karma: 9400 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Europe Device: PRS-650, iPod touch 4G, iPad 3	Not at all. Yes, for local library or free books (sometimes books are offered for free but do have DRM) but not if i'm to pay for it. Removing DRM is not an option for me as it's against local laws.

06-18-2010, 05:53 AM	#53
TGS Country Member Posts: 9,058 Karma: 7676767 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denmark Device: Liseuse: Irex DR800. PRS 505 in the house, and the missus has an iPad.	If I can't buy the non-DRM's ebook I buy the pbook (which isn't DRM'd!) - then I might "format-shift" by resorting to the darknet to find an electronic copy. DRM stripping is fine but it boosts sales of DRM'd ebooks and therefore allows publishers to carry on believing - or not believing but claiming - that DRM is not an issue for the majority of the ebook buying public.

06-18-2010, 11:23 AM	#57
jezebel Fanatic Posts: 528 Karma: 131098 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: a ferry ride from Seattle Device: Kindle Fire (5th Gen), Nook Color	I voted Yes, if I could remove the DRM, but with a caveat.... if I knew how. I recently bought an Aluratek, but am returning it and getting what I really want - a PB 360. Or maybe something else, even. And then, some time down the line, we may get something else entirely for my husband. The possibility of not being able to read what I've bought on another device later bothers me quite a bit. Until I learn how to strip DRM (which entails finding a safe place to learn about it) I will probably stick to what free books I can find. Which means no e-book buys from me.

06-18-2010, 12:01 PM	#59
dorino I'm odd. Take note. Posts: 325 Karma: 779 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Montana Device: deceased PRS-600, Nook STR	I'm fine if I can strip the DRM. I don't care if they keep publishing it with DRM, as long as I can keep stripping it. My books, my rules. Generally, though, DRM is a last resort. If I can find a book for 125% of the DRM'd copy's price or less, I'll happily pay the extra for a legitimately DRM-free copy.

06-18-2010, 12:02 PM	#60
Vintage Season Pulps and dime novels... Posts: 343 Karma: 1952003 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: Kobo Aura/Kobo Aura One LE/iPad Air	My favorite form of reading material comes with the strictest DRM scheme imaginable: it is printed on pulped fibers, of various origin, and using a mixture of indelible inks. The only way to get a "digital" version of some of that stuff is to treat it like the vinyl LP you want on your iPod: make an analog-to-digital copy. Would I purchase a digital copy of a book with my rights managed/imposed? Maybe, if there was no other way—including paper—to get the same intellectual content... but only then if it was something I truly wanted to read. I'll go for paper every time, before willingly selecting a format that I can't read on whatever platform I choose. That said, would I—as an author—allow my works to be sold or distributed with DRM? That depends. If it is a publisher I know and respect, and I am on good terms with them, and especially if the publication is a magazine or anthology (meaning the intellectual property of other authors is also at stake, and not just my own words), then I probably wouldn't have any complaints with the process. I might not like it, but recognizing it as a potential necessity I wouldn't fight it. And that stipulation goes especially-double if the same content is readily available on physical, honest-to-goodness pulped fibers. - M.