Global warming or not?

[GeoffC]

Originally Posted by kennyc

From the article: "But they added that the phenomenon only affected a limited region and would not alter the overall global warming trend. "



The Iceland Ash has already shut airports:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...-airports.html

you can't get much more limited than that !!!...



the ash cloud, though, will eventually spread around the globe before it gradually disperses (at least the Northern Hemisphere - but much will depend on the upper wind flows).

one big eruption in Iceland, in the past, dramatically affected Europe, and even affected North America!

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by GeoffC

you can't get much more limited than that !!!...



the ash cloud, though, will eventually spread around the globe before it gradually disperses (at least the Northern Hemisphere - but much will depend on the upper wind flows).

one big eruption in Iceland, in the past, dramatically affected Europe, and even affected North America!

There was a really big one some 250 Million years ago The Great Dying. The Siberian Traps and then 60 MYA - the Deccan Traps. Basically the earth opened and poured via a mantle plume and oozed out lava for a million years or so...

[Lady Blue]

Originally Posted by kennyc

There was a really big one some 250 Million years ago The Great Dying. The Siberian Traps and then 60 MYA - the Deccan Traps. Basically the earth opened and poured via a mantle plume and oozed out lava for a million years or so...

Now THAT'S Global Warming!!!!

[Sparrow]

'Global Warming' is a misnomer though isn't it?

We're talking about the surface of the globe here, not the whole globe surely.

[GeoffC]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

'Global Warming' is a misnomer though isn't it?

We're talking about the surface of the globe here, not the whole globe surely.

Depends what you're saying...."Global Warming" is over the whole globe, and is, in effect the ability of the atmosphere to 'hold' in heat radiated from the surface and not out into space. Without Global Warming we would not be here ....

Ask the inhabitants of Mars, whilst those of Venus could describe what happens when Global Warming 'gets out of hand' ....

[happy_terd]

any interesting articles out lately on the subject?

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by happy_terd

any interesting articles out lately on the subject?

I keep an occasional eye on Climate Debate Daily.

[happy_terd]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

I keep an occasional eye on Climate Debate Daily.

Oh wow...great looking site. Thanks

[WT Sharpe]

This was published yesterday, May 25, 2010, by Bloomsbury Press. Unfortunately it's not yet available as an ebook, but it looks interesting. The name of it is Merchants Of Doubt by Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway. Among other things, the book claims that many of the same scientists that are now being quoted in the press as experts who deny global warming are very often the same scientists who formerly worked for big tobacco to deny the dangers of tobacco and second-hand smoke.

I suspect we'll be hearing more about this one. The Amazon link can be found here.



Those who wish to see a 74 minute lecture by the author can do so at the link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXyTp...ayer_embedded#!

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

This was published yesterday, May 25, 2010, by Bloomsbury Press. Unfortunately it's not yet available as an ebook, but it looks interesting. The name of it is Merchants Of Doubt by Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway. Among other things, the book claims that many of the same scientists that are now being quoted in the press as experts who deny global warming are very often the same scientists who formerly worked for big tobacco to deny the dangers of tobacco and second-hand smoke.
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Hmmmm! Very disturbing. Very disturbing. I think of science as something of the last bastion of ethics ... even moreso than The Believers these days....

very disturbing!

[kennyc]

This one IS available as a kindle book and it highly rated:

http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Cover-...u-wl_mrai-recs

From Publishers Weekly
Canadian environmental activists Hoggan and Littlemore pull no punches in this spirited indictment of global warming deniers. Their well-sourced research spotlights premeditated prevarications about the threat of greenhouse gas emissions by the oil and coal industry, in league with junk scientists, compliant conservative politicians and unsavory public relations practitioners. Persistent obfuscation of science by these anti-environment players is further abetted, say the authors, by a manipulated media that, in a misguided effort toward journalistic balance, pairs scientific certainty about an encroaching climate crisis with quotations from people who make a living denying it. Readers predisposed to believe the worst about the oil, coal and electric industries will find their fears buttressed by the book's detailed overview of an orchestrated climate coverup by Astroturf (fake grassroots) organizations, right-wing think tank echo chambers, the tens of millions of industry dollars poured into primarily Republican campaign coffers and the PR profession's Orwellian use of language. But global warming skeptics might also be swayed by the detailed dissection of an ongoing campaign to convince the public that climate change is still unproven. (Nov.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

[astra]

Funny enough, people who deny global warming are very few and they cannot make money out of it because it is very unfashionable nowdays. They have no chance to manipulate media because media is scared of publishing anything that might hint that global warming is a fraud.
To the contrary, all this huge industry raving about global warming is making money out of tax payers pockets. They don't do anything but they do receive salaries for talking loudly about global warming, extorting money from companies for nothing, and the companies consequently rise prices for their products that eventually we pay for...

Another thing I have noticed. All those people who support the global warming idea usually have no clue about science. However, I have spoken to a couple of real scientists and they laughed at me and dismissed global warming idea as a consequence of human activity completely.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by astra

Funny enough, people who deny global warming are very few and they cannot make money out of it because it is very unfashionable nowdays. ... All those people who support the global warming idea usually have no clue about science. However, I have spoken to a couple of real scientists and they laughed at me and dismissed global warming idea as a consequence of human activity completely.

Umm....

Fashion has nothing to do with it. Science is what we're talking about.

When you can show me a vast majority of SCIENTISTS that say global warming is not true I'll believe it.

Til then the major associations of scientist are all agreed:

Global Warming is real and is being caused by human activity.

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by astra

Funny enough, people who deny global warming are very few and they cannot make money out of it because it is very unfashionable nowdays.

Doesn't the oil industry fund opposition to the idea of global warming?
E.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...er-us-lobbying

[astra]

kennyc
That's a point.

It would be very detrimental/damaging for a scientist's career to speak against global warming idea. It is all about money.