Fight Flash Here!

[scottjl]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Agreed. It should be up to the user not the seller.

the user has that option. it's "buy something other than an ipad"

vote with your pocketbook. don't give apple your money. give it to someone who designs the tablet you like best.

or design and build your own, while you're at it, you can write your own OS..

kinda simple solution isn't it?

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by scottjl

the user has that option. it's "buy something other than an ipad"

vote with your pocketbook. don't give apple your money. give it to someone who designs the tablet you like best.

or design and build your own, while you're at it, you can write your own OS..

kinda simple solution isn't it?

I'm also interested in companies doing what is right for the consumer. But you're right eventually the consumer will vote with their pocket book and Apple will be history.

I have written operating systems, but don't really see any need to, better to have standards and choices.

[scottjl]

apple has been history for 30something years now. seems they make history more.

you've written operating systems? lol. any we might have heard of?

[kennyc]

Sotty, I'm going to ignore your baiting and trolling.

I will continue to post my comments and information and topics as I see fit, but I don't have to deal with you and I will not stoop to your level.

Have a good weekend.

[scottjl]

lol. I ask a simple question and it's trolling? I'll let the evidence speak for itself..

[ylsul]

I've heard so much about this Flash thing, but I haven't heard so much about other environments like Java.

I can live without flash (I don't notice the lack of flash on my ipad at at, but ymmv), but there are some tools in java that would be really nice to have (my university's VPN software is java-based).

[dmaul1114]

Suggesting a user make their own device is pretty silly. But you are right that the correct thing to do is to just wait and buy something else--which is what I'm doing. I even wish I hadn't bought an iPod Nano in march (my first every Apple product) as I'd rather not give them any of my money with their stance on Flash etc. Not to mention having to be associated with the Apple cult folk like Scott.

That and the battery life sucks on the Nano compared to my creative player I was using in the gym before.

In any case, that will be my last Apple purchase.

[scottjl]

i'm sorry. this is the apple forum (says so right at the top of the screen).. you know, place where people who just might happen to like to use apple products come to post.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by scottjl

i'm sorry. this is the apple forum (says so right at the top of the screen).. you know, place where people who just might happen to like to use apple products come to post.

Or where people compare and contrast products, point out issues and faults as well as good points.

[scottjl]

don't forget the outrageous claims.. whining.. mudslinging..

[ylsul]

Originally Posted by scottjl

don't forget the outrageous claims.. whining.. mudslinging..

lies! (haha)

[frabjous]

Originally Posted by scottjl

lol.. you know. i wish the mac OS would run windows programs without the need for fusion or parallels. for those who don't need the compatability, they don't have to run it. Heck, Apple could warn me that running Windows programs in the MacOS could render it unstable.

but apple's contempt for its own customers prods them to insist on them running macintosh native applications.

the nerve of them.

I don't understand the relevance of what you wrote here. I never wrote anything about native Windows applications. I was talking about flash, and flash is not system-specific. Adobe would have the responsibility of making flash work with the iPad's OS, not Apple, and I'm sure they'd be happy to do it.

You know, Scott, really, you don't need to agree with everyone here about these issues, but you need to respond with intelligent argument, instead of sarcasm. That does not further the discussion. How could anyone's suggestions made on here be properly met with the response, "oh, you don't like it, write your own OS." That's not a helpful or intelligent reply.

And the issues discussed here do have relevance even for those of us who have already voted with our wallets and chosen not to buy Apple products ourselves. I made a lengthy post about how iPad's non-support of flash, coupled with its ironically atrocious implementation of HTML5, has lead to serious headaches for me as an amateur web designer, just by trying to reach out to this population. What I would like from a defender of Apple is an explanation of why they put us in such a position, and some encouragement and reason to think they are going to do something to rectify it. Telling me to write my own OS is not a helpful reply. Even if I did write my own OS, I'd still want my content to be available to those using Apple's OSes.

[scottjl]

my point is, why should apple care about adobe running flash on their platform any more than apple care about windows applications running on their platform? apple != adobe. apple != microsoft. adobe flash is a parasite that runs on many platforms at the whim of that platform's creators. apple chose not to allow flash. adobe can cry foul all they want (or publish "i love advertisements" as they just recently did) but at the end of the day, the iPad is apple's platform to do with as they see fit. it's not mine. it's not yours and it certainly isn't adobe's. microsoft wrote silverlight, they could pull the plug on flash at any time and you think they haven't considered it? just look at the ie 9 h.264 announcement. that was a light warning shot to adobe, "don't screw with us or we can pull an Apple too."

as i've said before. the best thing anyone can do (besides write sjobs@apple.com) is to simply vote with their dollars. the ipad doesn't meet your needs. don't buy one. buy a device that does meet your needs. encourage and reward the company that does create the product that does meet your needs. sitting around crying that the ipad doesn't meet your needs isn't going to change it to make it so.

[murraypaul]

Originally Posted by scottjl

lol.. you know. i wish the mac OS would run windows programs without the need for fusion or parallels. for those who don't need the compatability, they don't have to run it. Heck, Apple could warn me that running Windows programs in the MacOS could render it unstable.

but apple's contempt for its own customers prods them to insist on them running macintosh native applications.

the nerve of them.

while they are at it they should open up their platform so that i can run other software too. why can't i run my old commodore 64 programs natively? or my apple ][ basic programs? Apple acts like they designed the Macintosh after all, and I made the decision to spend my money on their hardware, what gives them any right to control what runs on it? i want options!

oh wait..

You've argued against your own point.
You can get applications for the Mac to let you run windows programs, even though they will run slower than native ones. Apple doesn't force you to run native applications.
You cannot get an application for the iPad that will let you view flash sites.
That is the difference.
(And I'm sure there are commodore 64 and Apple II emulators for the Mac)

[scottjl]

yes, but apple could stop fusion and parallels easily if they wanted. as i said, it's apple's platform to do as they see fit.